New Mexico governor issues order suspending the right to carry firearms in public across Albuquerque(apnews.com)

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Worstdriver@lemmy.world

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1 year ago

The problem is that the things you talk about are all tools. Including guns. It’s just that the primary tool use of a gun is to kill. If I see someone openly carrying a gun they are saying, “I am ready to kill.” Carrying a knife? “I am ready to cut something.” Driving a car? “I am going somewhere”

Can those latter two things be used to kill? Of course. Anything can be used to kill, but that isn’t their primary function. The primary use of a gun, the reason why guns are made, is to kill things. And that makes all the difference.

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sudo22@lemmy.world

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1 year ago

Uh, yeah? This shouldn’t be a revolation.

A family member of mine concealed carries because she was raped (I know a couple women like this but I know my family memeber’s reasoning better since she’s family). Do you want to be the one to tell her she’s being paranoid? I sure don’t.

And if she uses the gun on a would have been rapist, blame the rapist not the person defending themselves.

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Worstdriver@lemmy.world

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1 year ago

https://thosenerdygirls.org/logical-fallacies-8/

Do read the whole article.

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sudo22@lemmy.world

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1 year ago

I’m aware of the anecdote fallacy. Her carrying a gun is not a reason I’m for carry rights, her carrying a gun is a reason I’m happy to have the right. Subtle but important distinction.

No the reason we have the right is the 2nd amendment, full stop (no well regulated does not mean government regulations). And SCOTUS confirming this with the Bruen decision.

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Worstdriver@lemmy.world

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1 year ago

That… seems circular. The reason you have the right isn’t self-defence though, its national defence. The second amendment was put in place to provide a ready source for a “well armed and well regulated militia”, and that right has killed more people than it has saved. I guess the real issue is that I can’t understand you, or where you are coming from.

I’m in my 50s and live in rural Canada, back in the itty bitty town on the West Coast that I moved out of as a teen, desperate to find work in the city. Today I hunt, I fish, and my favorite gun is the .270 Winchester I inherited from my father after he passed on a decade ago. Gun ownership and carrying laws are vastly more restrictive here than they are in the US, but not once have felt that those restrictions impinge on either my rights or my ability to protect myself or my family.

You have hundreds, nay thousands of people, dying every year from what to me, seems like a stupidly easy cause to prevent. All because your nation seems unwilling to grasp the concept that a good number of people aren’t able to responsibly use the ability to project lethal force. No, you can’t stop gun crimes by regulating guns, any more than locks can prevent all burglaries, but you CAN make it harder for bad people to get guns. Just like a good lock makes it harder for someone to steal your stuff.

Anyway, it’s 2am here, and I apologize for subjecting you to this rant, but its a frustration I’ve wanted to get off my chest for awhile now. It’s pretty clear you and I will never see eye to eye on this, but it was nice to back and forth a bit on this. I know it means less than a pitcher of spit, but all the best to you and yours, and to your sister as well.

Worstdriver

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sudo22@lemmy.world

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1 year ago

We probably agree on more then we disagree. There’s a problem with murder in the US (gun or otherwise) and I agree we need to fix it. I just feel social programs that actually take care of people’s needs (like what Canada has in universal healthcare and better worker protections) will fix far more violence, gun or otherwise.

The 2A is a right of the people and is clear about it being a personal right not a malitia right, so laws restricting gun ownership like what you have in Canada are illegal here.

And thank you for the polite banter, we may not agree on everything but discussing it without devolving into insults is a breath of fresh air.

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