Jessica Burgess pleaded guilty in July to providing an abortion after 20 weeks and tampering with human remains
Abortion after 20 weeks sounds kinda extreme though. Most countries stop at 15.
Hmm…I wonder why it happened so late? I’m sure it couldn’t be that they were completely restricted from being able to access those services earlier in the pregnancy when it would have been better, easier, and safer. I’m sure they just overlooked those conveniently available, necessary medical abortion services that are so easy to find in Oklahoma.
Wait…
It does, that’s five months, but it may well be because she didn’t have access before that point, which is obviously horrific.
That would be horrific but a lot of people here are assuming.
And that’s not much of an excuse. Should we allow her to do a 9 month abortion because she couldn’t get around to it earlier? No.
Considering the article states that she didn’t have enough money to have a funeral for the fetus, I don’t think she had the means to raise a child. It’s impossible to “get around to” doing something that isn’t offered easily and affordably. I don’t think giving her child abortion pills when she was over 20 weeks pregnant was her first choice, I think it was a move of desperation.
You are ignoring a fuck ton about that 15 weeks. The measurement of weeks is different in those countries. I the US we count from the last period which is different than most other countries which is closer to 17 weeks here in the US. It is also much easier to get an abortion on those countries since you can just go to damn near any hospital and have it done for no charge. It’s also not like that 15 weeks is a hard line in most of those countries either. It is very easy to get exceptions.
There is no comparison and just stating the difference in weeks is horribly ignorant.
You get downvoted hard, but I’m not sure why. I think we all agree that putting someone into prison for an abortion is controversial at best. However, 20 weeks into pregnancy… that’s only 2 weeks before it’s considered to have a chance of survival at a premature birth.
At one point does it become murder? What if you kill your child right after a premature birth? I’m sure we all agree that’s bad. So it’s okay to kill the child if it’s inside the womb, but not once it gets out? You have to put a limit somewhere, and you have to enforce that limit or you might as well not set it.
Again, I’m not against abortions, but 20 weeks… man… that’s rough.
So it’s okay to kill the child if it’s inside the womb, but not once it gets out?
You nailed it. It’s not a child when it’s inside the woman, so it’s not murder. Women get to decide what they do with their own body. I don’t know why that’s so goddamn difficult.
That’s quite an extreme position. Saying “my body, my choice to kill this thing that will be born tomorrow” is very weird.
At what point does it become murder? When it’s completely viable, and not a second before.
No one has an abortion at 20 weeks for any reason but a good one. When you had your abortion, what reason did you have?
Uhhhhh it’s still a nonviable fetus. And 22 week preemies don’t have great outcomes either - 30% survival rate and severe health complications.
Less than that. 46 out of 486 babies survived at least shortly after labor. That is about 15%.
Let’s ignore this case for a moment due to how problematic it is (no doctor consulted for her, done at 28 weeks, burning the stillborn, etc). 20 weeks is not rough. The chance of survival at 22 weeks is about 15% and most of those will have a hard road ahead if they even make it past the first year.
At what point it is okay for the abortion should be figured out between the woman and her doctor, not you or me. Your other questions are not worth responding to since that answer takes care of all of them.
“At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.”
Not just 20 weeks, but “well past” the bar that was 20 weeks. However you look at it, this was a pretty grim situation.
