Jessica Burgess pleaded guilty in July to providing an abortion after 20 weeks and tampering with human remains
You get downvoted hard, but I’m not sure why. I think we all agree that putting someone into prison for an abortion is controversial at best. However, 20 weeks into pregnancy… that’s only 2 weeks before it’s considered to have a chance of survival at a premature birth.
At one point does it become murder? What if you kill your child right after a premature birth? I’m sure we all agree that’s bad. So it’s okay to kill the child if it’s inside the womb, but not once it gets out? You have to put a limit somewhere, and you have to enforce that limit or you might as well not set it.
Again, I’m not against abortions, but 20 weeks… man… that’s rough.
So it’s okay to kill the child if it’s inside the womb, but not once it gets out?
You nailed it. It’s not a child when it’s inside the woman, so it’s not murder. Women get to decide what they do with their own body. I don’t know why that’s so goddamn difficult.
That’s quite an extreme position. Saying “my body, my choice to kill this thing that will be born tomorrow” is very weird.
Give me your kidney. I need it to live so you have to.
No? I can’t force you to use your body to keep mine alive?
Then why do the same to women? Because we want to imagine some “responsibility” for “their actions”. And as soon as rape and coercion never happen we can have that conversation. Until then, let’s leave it to the ladies to decide what they do with their organs.
You say “would be alive tomorrow”, but that’s false. They do not, ever, abort something that is completely viable outside the womb. The process for aborting that late is basically induction, and when you do that, now you have a living baby that you can’t murder.
Unfortunately, you’re on an ultra left site, so everything gets filtered through that lens.
At what point does it become murder? When it’s completely viable, and not a second before.
No one has an abortion at 20 weeks for any reason but a good one. When you had your abortion, what reason did you have?
Uhhhhh it’s still a nonviable fetus. And 22 week preemies don’t have great outcomes either - 30% survival rate and severe health complications.
Less than that. 46 out of 486 babies survived at least shortly after labor. That is about 15%.
Let’s ignore this case for a moment due to how problematic it is (no doctor consulted for her, done at 28 weeks, burning the stillborn, etc). 20 weeks is not rough. The chance of survival at 22 weeks is about 15% and most of those will have a hard road ahead if they even make it past the first year.
At what point it is okay for the abortion should be figured out between the woman and her doctor, not you or me. Your other questions are not worth responding to since that answer takes care of all of them.
“At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.”
Not just 20 weeks, but “well past” the bar that was 20 weeks. However you look at it, this was a pretty grim situation.
