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If you only care about blindly ending war as soon as possible by any means necessary, you definitely have two major options. Either let the aggressor do whatever they want, or use overwhelming force to utterly destroy them.

Except this is assuming that the US is omnipotent. The US cannot use overwhelming force to defeat Russia in the conflict. That leaves only not supplying arms to reduce the length of the war and casualties.

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Except this is assuming that the US is omnipotent. The US cannot use overwhelming force to defeat Russia in the conflict.

Good thing pretty much every western country is supporting Ukraine’s defensive war effort.

Nobody expects the US to be the sole support for Ukraine.

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Good thing pretty much every western country is supporting Ukraine’s defensive war effort.

How is that going?

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So you prefer just letting aggressors do whatever they want, got it.

As anti-war as you or I may be, there’s more than enough petty dictators who are more than happy to be pro-war and fuck up the world.

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So you prefer just letting aggressors do whatever they want

I dont have that principle, I think there are cases when you should and when you shouldn’t.

there’s more than enough petty dictators who are more than happy to be pro-war and fuck up the world.

I’m more concerned about the US. Why is biggest kid on the block when it comes to genocide and war so enthusiastic to supply Ukraine with arms?

Especially given operation AERODYNAMIC by the cia…

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Ah, whataboutism, the first recourse of the desperate to appear neutral.

The US military industrial complex, and the politicians who serve it, have a lot to answer for. Keeping Ukrainians from being overrun by wannabe world dominators is not one of them.

Your principle seems to be pointing fingers at the big boys while you let the small fries die in trenches, begging for help that will never come because “It’s just not right for the US to do things!”

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I dont have that principle, I think there are cases when you should and when you shouldn’t [let aggressors do whatever they want]

Personally I don’t think there’s any case where we should be telling other peoples to just accept their annexation or colonization. I’d be interested to hear the argument otherwise.

I’m more concerned about the US. Why is biggest kid on the block when it comes to genocide and war so enthusiastic to supply Ukraine with arms?

Because it defends American hegemony and weakens an anti-American state. It’s not a hard question to answer. That doesn’t mean it’s not also the right thing to do regardless. Bad people can go good things for bad reasons. Unfortunately some seem to think the deaths of Ukrainians and pillaging of their land is a sacrifice worth making in order to geopolitically weaken America. I’m all for reducing America’s global power, but I’m not so cruel as to choose other people’s lives to trade for it against their will.

If Ukraine wants to defend itself, I think it’s a good thing to air them in that; I also think making such invasions as difficult and expensive as possible is the anti-war position.

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