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Can we please stop with the browser bloat? This is something that should be a plug-in, not a kitchen sink feature.

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I actually don’t agree, and the reason is - non tech people. You and me can install plugins but ordinary people don’t do that. So the default experience must be good, offering improvements to the experience over Google Chrome.

Otherwise all privacy features could also be plugins. Imagine if that was true. Firefox would have no identity and you would have to install plugins and make it your own.

So some features should be built in. Maybe the ability to get pop-ups about false reviews will actually make users go “wow that is so useful”.

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Compromise: Develop it as a Plugin and then install it by default. That way people who don’t want the feature can easily remove it completely. That approach would likely also reduce the number of Firefox forks whose sole purpose is to remove the new features some consider bloat.

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That’s actually what Firefox usually did for these kind of features. They’re usually delayed as system add-ons.

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Or make it so that people have a choice to add some of the extension features when installing the browser. Debloating is not fun

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Good solution, perhaps two simple options at browser install: Default / Custom. That way you don’t have to uninstall all the stuff at the end.

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Now, let’s talk about adblockers… Oh, wait, Google would get upset if FF had an inbuilt adblocker and could stop giving us those $weet money…

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If Google stopped sponsoring, Mozilla would go down and Google would get slammed with anti-monopoly lawsuits from the EU.

So Mozilla can do whatever they want and Google won’t stop sending them money. Since that is a lot more profitable in the long run.

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Use LibreWolf. It’s Firefox with pre-installed uBlock Origin and pre-configured privacy settings. It also doesn’t have any of the Firefox bloat like Pocket

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Blockers need to be an extension, keeps everyone honest.

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…you would have to install plugins and make it your own.

Reminds me of gnome.

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Agreed. This is well outside the scope of native browser functions. Firefox already has a rich extensions ecosystem. They can just include the extension with the browser by default for all I care, but as a native feature, this makes no sense.

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They do that. Screenshot upload and so on are handled as extensions.

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Firefox extension platform frontend is a mess and has been for years.

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I’d say these should be “recommended plug-ins” but imho FF/Moz embarassed themselves on that front with the whole “Pocket” thing.

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I agree and I worry about what options they’ll remove from about:config next to make room for or force the acceptance of new features like they have a habit of doing.

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There’s LibreWolf. It allows you to disable many things that you can’t disable in normal Firefox. It also has uBlock Origin pre-installed and it’s pre-configured for privacy.

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+1. When Edge added a price tracker / financing thing, the same people threw a fit.

If you were pro that, you should be pro this.

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Just use LibreWolf if you want debloated Firefox

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Librewolf isn’t just a debloated version of Firefox. It’s built with a completely different goal of being extra locked down for privacy. More so than the defaults of Firefox. Also, it doesn’t even include auto update functionality unless you’re using a package manager.

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It’s built with a completely different goal of being extra locked down for privacy. More so than the defaults of Firefox.

That’s good, isn’t it?

Also, it doesn’t even include auto update functionality

I completely forgot this was even as thing because I exclusively use Linux and install/update everything with a package manager. You can also use Chocolatey on Windows or Homebrew on macOS. I feel like more people should use package managers, by using them you avoid having to download some random executables from shady websites and your system doesn’t get bloated up by 423942389 update daemons that are constantly running in the background.

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Amazon only operates in 58 countries, so it’s basically useless for everyone else. But the company they acquired (fakespot) seems to do more than amazon, but that still does not make it worth packaging it with the browser

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