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I actually don’t agree, and the reason is - non tech people. You and me can install plugins but ordinary people don’t do that. So the default experience must be good, offering improvements to the experience over Google Chrome.

Otherwise all privacy features could also be plugins. Imagine if that was true. Firefox would have no identity and you would have to install plugins and make it your own.

So some features should be built in. Maybe the ability to get pop-ups about false reviews will actually make users go “wow that is so useful”.

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Compromise: Develop it as a Plugin and then install it by default. That way people who don’t want the feature can easily remove it completely. That approach would likely also reduce the number of Firefox forks whose sole purpose is to remove the new features some consider bloat.

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That’s actually what Firefox usually did for these kind of features. They’re usually delayed as system add-ons.

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Or make it so that people have a choice to add some of the extension features when installing the browser. Debloating is not fun

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Sometimes it feels like debloating is a hobby to people with little to show for it

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Most people don’t want a 45th prompt when they just want to install firefox to check facebook and their mail

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True, also wouldn’t be too much work. Just some additional dialogues on first start up asking you which plugins you’d like installed

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Good solution, perhaps two simple options at browser install: Default / Custom. That way you don’t have to uninstall all the stuff at the end.

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Now, let’s talk about adblockers… Oh, wait, Google would get upset if FF had an inbuilt adblocker and could stop giving us those $weet money…

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If Google stopped sponsoring, Mozilla would go down and Google would get slammed with anti-monopoly lawsuits from the EU.

So Mozilla can do whatever they want and Google won’t stop sending them money. Since that is a lot more profitable in the long run.

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Mozilla can do whatever they want and Google won’t stop sending them money.

So… What are they waiting for? Are they going to rely on gorhill for ever?

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Use LibreWolf. It’s Firefox with pre-installed uBlock Origin and pre-configured privacy settings. It also doesn’t have any of the Firefox bloat like Pocket

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No way I’m giving market share to gecko and, thus, to Mozilla. I just point how how hypocrite they are. I’ll keep satisfyingly using Brave.

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Blockers need to be an extension, keeps everyone honest.

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…you would have to install plugins and make it your own.

Reminds me of gnome.

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