Lemdro.id

1 point

1 year ago

It doesn’t matter as long as their are not doing what is better for them, or Palestinians. Spoiler: attacking Israel like they did on October 7th was not going to do any good.

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hitmyspot@aussie.zone

2 points

1 year ago

Attacking Palestinians now will not do any good. Hamas is not good and committed a terrorist act. An atrocity. Hundreds injured and dead.

Palestine has 7000 dead including 3000 children from just this month. More children dead than any entire year of any other war of the last 3 years, including Ukraine.

There are over a hundred times as many dead Palestinian kids as Israeli. We should mourn both, but we should keep in contact the numbers too.

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0 points

1 year ago

Attacking Palestinians now will not do any good.

Attacking hamas will. It was done before and it helped with stopping attacks, for a while but still.

Palestine has 7000 dead including 3000 children from just this month.

That information comes from hamas. Terrorists should not be trusted. It’s enough to know that there are casualties. Even one death is a tragedy.

And no, these are not exactly comparable. Russia has no good reasons to invade Ukraine. Israel has good reasons to invade Gaza.

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hitmyspot@aussie.zone

1 point

1 year ago

Attacking Hamas is not happening, but nobody denies that attacking Hamas is justified. Attacking Palestinians in general as an alternative in the hope that some of Hamas is swept up is a war crime.

That information comes from the Palestinians health authority which is considered pretty accurate. Every death is a tragedy, yes, so 3000 kids tragedies is 100 times the tragedies of the 30.

Israel does not have good reason to “invade” Gaza. They are using terrorist attacks to justice genocide. Genocide is never justified.

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1 point

1 year ago

I don’t think your assumption that Israel can only “attack Palestinians in hopes to harm hamas” is correct. They wouldn’t warn anyone otherwise and we know they did that a lot of times. Also their counter strikes would’ve been much more effective if they wouldn’t do that.

There are no authorities in Gaza except hamas. Gaza is fully controlled by terrorists. If there would be such an authority I’m sure they wouldn’t allow building military objects under hospitals.

They are using terrorist attacks to justice genocide.

Think you mistyped “justify”. Israel doesn’t need to justify defending from terrorists. Hamas, on the other hand, has a record of using Palestinians as a shield and not caring to protect them at all.

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hitmyspot@aussie.zone

1 point

1 year ago

Hamas using them as a shield does not make killing them right.

Israel is not defending itself from terrorism. It is retaliation for a terrorist attack.

They do have some intelligence as to where Hamas use as locations etc however rules of war require they take precautions to minimise civilian casualties. They give some warnings as this gives plausible deniability that they are taking precautions. The number of dead civilians versus confirmed Hamas killed tells a different story. Telling people to leave but closing the border tells a different story. Telly people to leave one area then bombing the path they were told to take tells a different story.

Hamas is the de facto government, but Palestine is not recognized as a state so there is not really a government, as most in other countries would know it, especially western counyries. Guess who is preventing normalisation of their sovereignty? Last elections were 17 years ago. The youngest people to vote are now over 35. 50% of the population is under 18. So, the legitimacy of saying they voted for this is spurious at best. Remember Israel and netamyahu in particular stifled their competitors.

Incessant bombing of civilians is creating more terrorists, not less. That doesn’t make it right, but to make out like Israel is defending itself while killing thousands of children is ridiculous. Israel as a state is a de facto terrorist state too at this point

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1 point

1 year ago

Hamas using them as a shield does not make killing them right.

It makes hamas responsible for their death. Otherwise, you are suggesting leaving alone terrorists who asked you to not bomb them, and who will still proceed to bomb you.

Israel is not defending itself from terrorism. It is retaliation for a terrorist attack.

Hamas launched rockets regularly. And you’re saying Israel only now started to retaliate? They must be very lazy, yes? Or maybe it’s because they have been shown they had to do it, as defending-only way no longer works.

They give some warnings as this gives plausible deniability that they are taking precautions.

Wow, people do what they have to do and you are saying they are doing it with malicious intention.

The number of dead civilians versus confirmed Hamas killed tells a different story.

What versus what exactly? One side is Israel who is monitored by the whole world, and the other is a territory controlled by terrorists. Numbers coming from the latter are useless without further confirmations.

Telling people to leave but closing the border tells a different story.

Did Israel close the border? I know Egypt did. Can’t blame Israel if they did so.

Telly people to leave one area then bombing the path they were told to take tells a different story.

Proceed to demand explanation if you like. I doubt they would waste resources to do something that useless.

Hamas is the de facto government, but Palestine is not recognized as a state so there is not really a government, as most in other countries would know it, especially western counyries. Guess who is preventing normalisation of their sovereignty?

If they really wanted to become a proper country with proper government they would at least try. Instead they are focused on trying to do the impossible - winning the war versus Israel, using stones and sticks.

Last elections were 17 years ago. The youngest people to vote are now over 35. 50% of the population is under 18. So, the legitimacy of saying they voted for this is spurious at best.

Those are useless details that can’t justify anything.

Remember Israel and netamyahu in particular stifled their competitors.

Irrelevant. You are proposing basically that hamas is the best Palestinians can get, and I strongly disagree.

Incessant bombing of civilians is creating more terrorists, not less. That doesn’t make it right, but to make out like Israel is defending itself while killing thousands of children is ridiculous. Israel as a state is a de facto terrorist state too at this point

this is not what Israel wants or tries to do.
hamas created situations where civillians are located near places they launch rockets from.
hamas also created situation where Palestinians are not protected at all from any (counter)attacks. They say this is a responsibility of others which is ridiculous.
hamas can stop the whole thing by surrendering.

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