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186 points

Legalize prostitution and get rid of the stigma. It being illegal only hurts the women (mostly) in the long run. With legalization you could get rid of a lot of abuse and make it easy for these women to come forward if there is abuse. I think it would also make underage trafficking harder if prostitution was legalized.

I think we’re a long way from that, but one can hope for society.

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Hurting women is the point. By keeping some people’s primary form of income illegal they can be superexploited, just like undocumented migrant workers. It’s no coincidence that they’re also similarly at risk of kidnapping, trafficking, and violence. No work insurance, no safety net, no legal protection, no rights, no dignity, and if you get caught you are the one that gets punished instead of the people who exploit you.

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I don’t think hurting women is the point, more like a bonus or icing on the cake.

The point is to maintain a facade that our culture is ‘above’ such kind of behavior, even though everyone with a brain knows it’s not.

Same kind of sentiment that allows Christians/Catholics to have sex out of wedlock but still think they’re ‘holier than’ everyone else who does the same.

It’s all just hypocrisy and insecurity.

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Our culture is very much in favor of hurting women, so it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other. The harm to women is far too consistent to be a coincidence.

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4 points

One of the best arguments for legalizing it.

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48 points

Conservatives need prostitution to be illegal. If anybody with some cash could go out and get laid then the right would quickly run out of incels to recruit.

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8 points

Also, sometimes prostitution SAVES marriages. Sometimes the wife likes her husband, but she just doesn’t want to have sex. Or vice versa.

https://medium.com/eros-ethics/prostitutes-saved-my-marriage-c2ffc07d59b

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41 points

They need sex to be shameful all around. The more shame they can induce, the more leverage and control they have over everyone.

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-26 points

We do not need to legalize it to get rid of the stigma. Spreading and calling out stories like this for the dreadful, inhumane, closeminded bullshit that they are is how we get rid of the stigma.

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23 points

You think it’s possible for something to be a crime and not be stigmatized?

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-3 points

Yes; smoking weed. Jaywalking. Drinking during prohibition.

A crime is what the law says will be punished, but the law isn’t moral.

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Cheating on taxes is a crime, but in certain circles it’s nit stigmatized.

The same goes for ignoring the speed limit in other circles.

A desperate mother shoplifting to feed her child would probably get compassion from many.

On a side note, it is also possible for something to be a crime and not be punished. It is a way for a society to condemn something, but acknowledge that is just necessary under certain conditions.

(Some countries use this trick for contentious topics like abortion and, yes, prostitution.)

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1 point

I think removing the stigma is the best pathway towards decriminalization.

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5 points

But, why? This feels about as effective of a strategy as ‘thoughts and prayers’…

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-29 points

Would brothels be allowed to participate in job placement programs at career day in high schools ?

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3 points

You act like that’s absurd, yet we allow the military to come and recruit children. That’s far worse.

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Do porn directors? No? Stupid Question? Yes.

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No but these absurd questions show up faster and faster as the government legitimizes sex work.

And so do trafficked immigrants who are kidnapped and coerced into the sex work industry by people threatening to kill their family while using Facebook Live standing in front of that family’s home back in their country of birth.

That shit has been happening for a decade. And it is why lots of the liberal western European countries have curtailed their red light districts.

There is no way to save those people without destroying privacy.

https://reddthat.com/post/8968028 - “European Parliament rejects mass scanning of private messages”

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-12 points

Yes, special schools, graduate programs, AP classes…

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Probably not as that would be advertising sex work within an area frequented by minors. I bet it would fall under the same laws as consuming or selling pornography close to schools and parks.

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-37 points

The only problem that I have with legalizing prostitution is that it requires the government enact sane protections and oversight for them. I do not trust the US government to ever do anything for real people, so I believe it would just lead to different abuses.

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11 points

Well, we should eliminate every government agency then.

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6 points

Including courts, social security and meat inspectors. Welcome to anarchy.

/s, since on internet it is not clear.

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I can trust them to abuse their power, and by keeping it illegal you give them the power to abuse.

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Very well you don’t trust the government. Can you detail to me how you use this in real life? For example do you conduct your own water testing and inspect the watersheds around waste water treatment plants? Do you take your electronics and subject them to FCC type testing for safety and non-interference? Do you perform your own bacteria culture tests on all food prior to eating?

The government is far from perfect but it can in general regulate industry when the legislative branch allows it too.

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6 points

Ok, I’m curious. What kind of abuse are you imagining that could possibly be worse than the status quo?

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Well in the past, some governmental members have been known to grab em by the pussy

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3 points

To cut back on the hyperbole that you’re receiving for your comment: Even badly managed oversight would be better than none at all.

Amazon warehouse workers are being exploited brutally in a system that needs fixing, but there’s much less trafficking and violent coercion involved.

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3 points

“Convicted prostitute” is not the condemnation the article-writer thinks it is… Work is work!

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