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-35 points

It’s still an anti-Semitic dogwhistle and I’m not comfortable with it

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50 points

Since when is “rabid dog” an antisemitic dogwhistle? Or is any criticism of Israel written with the use of literary devices to be labelled as an antisemitic dogwhistle?

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Since when is “rabid dog” an antisemitic dogwhistle?

Since anti-semites called Jews dogs in their anti-semitic propaganda dating back over a century.

is any criticism of Israel written with the use of literary devices to be labelled as an antisemitic dogwhistle?

No, use of literary devices to criticize Israel is not an anti-semitic dogwhistle. Specifically referring to them as dogs is.

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Everyone calls everyone else dogs, it’s literally the most common insult in the world.

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27 points

Jews aren’t being called “dogs”. The state of Israel is being called a rabid dog, and rightfully.

Equating Israel with jewish people is one of the main tools that the PR teams of Israel and the IDF use to protect themselves from criticism of their genocidal expansion project, and you have fallen right into the trap.

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25 points

Calling someone a “dog” isn’t a dogwhistle, I think you may be confused.

Anti-semitic animal based dogwhistles are usually some form of vermin; rats, cockroaches etc. Things that are usually seen as in need of extermination.

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17 points

They said the country of Isreal, not Jewish people. This only makes sense if you automatically equate the two. I understand the discomfort of proximity there, but you’re mischaracterizing what the other person said.

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12 points

Could you share examples? I am familiar with Arabs being compared with jackals, but not Jews with dogs.

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Israel the state does not represent Judaism nor ethnic Jews (just ask what happened to the Ethiopian Jews), it represent Zionism a movement fomented and supported by the Western colonial super powers before and after the World Wars as a means of creating a nationalistic foothold into the Middle East and thereby create monopolies of resources needed for the imperial cores at the time (and as a geopolitical soft/hard power for now). Saying someone wishes Israel as a state to no longer exist is not anti-semetic, it’s like saying someone that wishes for the dismantling of the US is wishing for genocide or something similarly overreaching and ignorant of materialistic context.

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4 points

Israel the state does not represent Judaism nor ethnic Jews

I am aware and agree.

Saying someone wishes Israel as a state to no longer exist is not anti-semetic

I agree.

What I believed was that the use of “dog” was an anti-semitic dogwhistle with historical use as a call to oppression and genocide of Jews.

Calling for the dismantling of Israel but using an anti-semitic dogwhistle with a history of calling for genocide blurs the line between legitimate criticism of Zionism and calling for anti-semitic genocide.

As it turns out, I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.

The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.

Had the commenter said “Israel is a plague of rats that needs to be exterminated”, I believe I would have been justified in calling it out as using a dogwhistle. As it stands, however, I was wrong.

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14 points

Israel is an illegitimate, genocidal state. Zionists want to spread the antisemitic lie that all Jewish people support their evil, and you’re helping them do that.

Fuck you for implying that I support genocide because of my blood.

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Israel is an illegitimate, genocidal state.

Agreed.

Zionists want to spread the antisemitic lie that all Jewish people support their evil

Agreed.

and you’re helping them do that

Potentially inadvertently, due to a false belief. I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.

The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.

Had you said “Israel is a plague of rats that needs to be exterminated”, I believe I would have been justified in calling you out for using a dogwhistle. As it stands, however, I was wrong.

Fuck you for implying that I support genocide because of my blood.

I don’t know what your blood is, so rest assured I implied nothing due to it.

Additionally, I had no intention of implying you supported genocide. My intention was to accuse you of using dangerous language to express your perfectly valid point. Again, I was wrong about my beliefs of the history of those words.

I apologize.

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14 points

clown

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9 points

Oh youre not comfortable? I had forgotten that we were all here to cater to you.

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I don’t expect anyone to cater me. I expect to be able to express my beliefs and lived experience.

In this case, it turns out my discomfort was based on a false belief. I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.

The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.

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Speaking of, if you wanted a primarry source of Nazi antisemetism then watch The Eternal Jew. It is a Nazi propoganda movie that a lot of colleges make students watch as an excersise to show the climate of antisemetism. That one uses the rat insult a lot, and has some really traumatizing photage of a dead guy in a ghetto covered in rats as people walk past him.

Watching that movie was very rough for me but I felt like I left with a better understanding of what living in Nazi Germany was like. I can’t imagine living in a world where something so brutal is just playing in movie theaters.

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