Beeper reverse-engineered iMessage to bring blue bubble texts to Android users::The push to bring iMessage to Android users today adds a new contender. A startup called Beeper, which had been working on a multi-platform messaging

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83 points

i had no idea that having green chat bubbles upset people so much.

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66 points

The issue isn’t so much the message color. It’s the ability to send videos that aren’t potato quality and other media.

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Which should go away anyway once Apple bakes in RCS support

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9 points

Which they will surely do with no caveats whatsoever.

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-2 points

They’re not doing encryption, because Google is using their own.

RCS is too little, too late. It sucks. I refuse to ever use it.

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oh, can’t android users receive high-quality videos and photos? after 16 years of smartphones, you’d think they’d have that figured out…

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110 points

Yeah the whole reason Apple won’t allow it is because they expect you to conclude exactly this.

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80 points

👆 your average apple user, oblivious to the world around them

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46 points

It’s not the android side that’s failing, it’s Apples refusal to implement anything other than SMS for cross ecosystem compatibility.

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27 points

iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.

I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.

Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.

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You need to think of iMessage as Google messages, Whatsapp, telegram, signal, etc. Except this is only installed on iPhones and they want everyone to know it. It’s arrogant and stupid. The app could just be released for Android and it would be no different than the others I mentioned.

It’s gatekeeping.

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10 points

That is not the issue. At all. Lol

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8 points

Android to Android, sure.

But Apple and Google refuse to play nicely with each other, so Android to Iphone or Iphone to Android both suck.

It’s not a lack of capability, it’s the refusal to implement it to try and force users to pick a side.

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6 points

you can when it’s android to android. as soon as an iphone is in play, the iphone immediately decreases the quality, even though the MMS standard allows for attachments up to 100MB in size

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5 points

Android uses RCS now, a higher quality and more feature rich standard than SMS. However… Apple hasn’t added it to iOS, so it doesn’t work to send to iPhones and they receive bog-standard SMS from Android devices.

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1 point

You’re joking, right?

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iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.

I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.

Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.

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35 points

I’ve seen a lot of people complain online about getting dropped by a tinder date/etc because they swapped numbers and the other person realized they didn’t have an iPhone from the green text. Probably best not to date someone who would drop you over that, but there’s a weird elitism over blue/green texts.

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Attempting to get a date in the current US scene was hard enough without this petty bullshit. While it was certainly disheartening to see another one slip away, knowing I was dodging a bullet was worth the time. I did enjoy (only once) getting “ugh green bubbles? Srs?” And sliding back “yeah sorry I have a Fold#, iPhones r for brokies” and blocking the contact

(People are free to own iPhone and you’re free to make your own descicions or debate the merits of android/iphone, I am more just intolerant of the fan elitism - not iPhone owners in general, hope you have a nice day)

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16 points

It has started in Sweden with younger generations that wants to replicate everything from the US.

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7 points

I’ve never heard of that, that’s kinda hilarious and really helps them dodge a bullet.

Apple has spent a significant amount of effort over creating a sense of elitism for using its products but that’s largely unique to the western world. Most of the world uses android devices by far.

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Western World

Did you mean mostly just the US?

Android has almost 83% market share in the EU.

An interesting fact while researching is that Iphone has over a 99% market share in North Korea. I assumed that the data might be thrown off by one individual maybe owning like ten thousand Iphones… but surprisingly NK is more connected then I thought with like 7M registered cellular devices

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5 points

Nah bro, if they bought an iPhone that means I can’t trust them with money. Screw that noise

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As much as I dislike apple, I don’t really hold it against people if they choose to use iPhones. Iphones are overpriced, but they’re decent phones and I can’t really blame someone for not wanting to learn a different mobile OS or lose out on all the apps they’ve paid for. Also a lot of android OEMs make terrible design decisions with their software modifications/bloatware, and it can be really hard for someone non-tech savvy to know how to buy a good android phone. Iphones are comparably simple to shop for, you only have a few options and they’re all going to be decent (if not necessarily a good value).

Iphone elitism really bothers me though, it feels like it’s taking a lack of knowledge/experience and turning it into something to feel smug about.

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As someone who started with Android, went to iOS, back to Android, and stayed with iOS I feel like you’re not trying to understand why some people choose an iPhone. I personally chose it because of the incredible battery life.

Skip the rest of this if you don’t want to hear a rambling mess of my phone history. There is a bit at the end regarding prices and why I own what I own now.

I had an HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy S2, HTC One M7, Sony Xperia Z1, iPhone 7, Nexus 6P, iPhone X, iPhone 12 Pro, iPhone 15.

I’ve rooted a bunch of the early Android phones, loved having removable batteries and having expandable storage. As the platform evolved and started following Apple’s lead on design decisions (no removable batteries, no expandable storage, etc.) I was wondering why I was still with Android. After having a the Xperia I noticed that the battery didn’t last as long as it used to and if I remember right (possibly not, a bit tipsy) the Xperia was advertised as having a very long battery but it didn’t last very long past a year or so (was getting less than a full day and having to charge when I was driving home). I also had how slow Sony was to get OS upgrades it I decided to try a new phone. At the time I cared more about the battery and the iPhone 7 was my next try. It was amazing, I didn’t actually enable iMessage because I hated the bubble bs that I heard about. Eventually the 6p was announced and I missed the freedom of android and decided to give it a try. This was the generation where Android started cracking down on rooting and the battery life was awful. I eventually went full in on iOS after that and here we are. I miss what Android was, I do sometimes miss the tinkering but I also don’t hate how things normally just work.

Now in regards to cost, the name brands for Android phones are around the same price. They usually promise 2-3 years of updates while currently Apple had a history of supporting phones for 4-5 years.

I understand you can get lower range phones for cheaper but I guess I’m not into the phone scene like I used to because I guess I assume the lower range phones aren’t getting the updates that the flagships are and I don’t want to have to either compromise security or shell out more money to get another phone. So for me, I’m typically buying around a $1000 phone but after 3 years I can trade in my phone for a decent amount of money off the new one, or sell it for even more and pay a mid range Android prices for a new iPhone. Or if I’m not feeling the upgrades are worth it I’ll just stick with my phone for the 5 years+ (only went to iPhone 15 to get USB-C and remove lightning from my place).

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I think they’re hated because they’re synonymous with broken group chats and low res photos. Hopefully EU forcing rss adoption fixes these instead of having to download an app to ‘fit in’.

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why should the EU have anything to do with who “fits in”? maybe i misunderstood what you’re saying here…

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8 points

EU implements legislation forcing Android + Apple to use standards that actually work properly with each other. (they usually spearhead this type of change)

People using android no longer break group chats or have terrible sent image/video quality when messaging Iphone users.

With this ammunition gone, teens stop using it to attack each other for their familys (lack of) income. Ie those kids ‘fit in’ better.

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5 points

In the US, every millenial is a communist until a green bubble shows up in the group chat… then the poverty jokes commence

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14 points

Millennials are pushing 40

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0 points

Oof, that hurts.

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13 points

gen z*

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7 points

Dumb kids are always dumb. And cruel.

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3 points

People are dumb af

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3 points

Doesn’t bother me at all.

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It’s all the other features in iMessage that android users “ruin” in group chats. Things like read receipts, typing indicators, reactions, animated/spoiler text messages, sending media in full quality, etc… A single android user is enough to downgrade an entire group chat, so apple users tend to be a little bit resentful.

It’d be a little bit like if one person on a Discord server disabled all the fun parts of Discord, and it killed the functionality for everyone on that server. Now nobody in the server can add fun little reactions to messages, or start threads, or send embedded gifs. All because that one person decided they didn’t like it.

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All because that one person decided they didn’t like it.

More like “all because Discord decided to remove those things from anyone not using Windows”

Nothing in this scenario is in the users hands, it’s all Apple, what any given user likes or want makes no difference.

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2 points

This shit seems like a perfect target for an antitrust suit, no?

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2 points

Apple, Google, and Microsoft commit antitrust violations too fast and numerous for the legal systems to keep up.

That and they spy on consumers for the US government so that gives them free passes at a lot of things.

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Well it is because that bubble color on Apple means issues for people on Apple devices.

I have millenial family members, they hear it from their peers. Probably even worse in younger folks.

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This is a good video explaining things, for anyone who doesn’t know about the situation Apple created.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BuaKzm7Kq9Q

Alternative 🔗:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BuaKzm7Kq9Q
https://piped.video/watch?v=BuaKzm7Kq9Q

@helenslunch
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