Beeper reverse-engineered iMessage to bring blue bubble texts to Android users::The push to bring iMessage to Android users today adds a new contender. A startup called Beeper, which had been working on a multi-platform messaging

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66 points

The issue isn’t so much the message color. It’s the ability to send videos that aren’t potato quality and other media.

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Which should go away anyway once Apple bakes in RCS support

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Which they will surely do with no caveats whatsoever.

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They’re doing the GSMA standard and nothing else. I think they refuse to play ball with any standard Google controls either directly or indirectly.

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They’re not doing encryption, because Google is using their own.

RCS is too little, too late. It sucks. I refuse to ever use it.

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oh, can’t android users receive high-quality videos and photos? after 16 years of smartphones, you’d think they’d have that figured out…

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Yeah the whole reason Apple won’t allow it is because they expect you to conclude exactly this.

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👆 your average apple user, oblivious to the world around them

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It’s not the android side that’s failing, it’s Apples refusal to implement anything other than SMS for cross ecosystem compatibility.

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It’s also why third party messaging apps like Whatsapp are thriving, much to the consternation of every person on the network. I used to be able to pick up the phone and call or message anyone. Now I need to check compatibility first. Wtf apple.

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@Mountaineer @gregorum Apple is going to implement RCS, the EU put pressure on them.

However I am surprised that Beeper was able to do this in software. With everyone else using an Apple device as a proxy, I figured the protocol required a magic handshake from the TPM chip in an Apple device. That would be easy to do.

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Even worse, I can send high quality images and video from android to iPhone if they’re both on Verizon. When the iPhone sends it back, it’s trashed.

That said, SMS/MMS suck. SMS has a known, published loss of messages at about 12%. What the hell?

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iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.

I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.

Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.

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You need to think of iMessage as Google messages, Whatsapp, telegram, signal, etc. Except this is only installed on iPhones and they want everyone to know it. It’s arrogant and stupid. The app could just be released for Android and it would be no different than the others I mentioned.

It’s gatekeeping.

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That is not the issue. At all. Lol

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Android to Android, sure.

But Apple and Google refuse to play nicely with each other, so Android to Iphone or Iphone to Android both suck.

It’s not a lack of capability, it’s the refusal to implement it to try and force users to pick a side.

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Google chat, or whatever they call it now, fixed that.

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you can when it’s android to android. as soon as an iphone is in play, the iphone immediately decreases the quality, even though the MMS standard allows for attachments up to 100MB in size

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Android uses RCS now, a higher quality and more feature rich standard than SMS. However… Apple hasn’t added it to iOS, so it doesn’t work to send to iPhones and they receive bog-standard SMS from Android devices.

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You’re joking, right?

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i’m laughing, if that’s what you mean.

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iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.

I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.

Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.

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