A Kentucky woman Friday filed an emergency class-action lawsuit, asking a Jefferson County judge to allow her to terminate her pregnancy. It’s the first lawsuit of its kind in Kentucky since the state banned nearly all abortions in 2022 and one of the only times nationwide since before Roe v. Wade in 1973 that an adult woman has asked a court to intervene on her behalf and allow her to get an abortion.

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Pregnancy comes with medical risk to the mother. Restricting abortion access is a clear violation of the 14th amendment.

Abortion is healthcare.

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I mean, “other people” also comes as a health risk. This by itself is not an argument.

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And if I interact with you the state doesn’t try to deny me medical treatment for whatever condition you gave me.

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Sadly even that isn’t true anymore. Someone I used to work with died recently of an unknown upper respiratory infection after being turned away by his local hospital 3 times. He eventually coughed until something ruptured and he died due to internal bleeding.

He had a decent paying job with health insurance and likely contracted his infection at work, yet he was denied admission to the hospital for some reasons that his widow and daughter may only find out with a lengthy court battle they can’t afford.

Welcome to the dystopia, it’s just getting started.

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Unless it’s a pregnancy.

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Keep in mind, the main reason why your camp uses this rhetoric is because you want to tie abortion rights to the constitution. That way, it becomes mandatory for all states to respect them.

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Yes, all states should protect women’s rights, are you kidding?

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The other side thinks abortion is not a right.

Your side wants it to be a right so states can’t decide for themselves.

As the constitution is written right now, tying abortion to an amendment is a stretch. This is why the ruling that gave constitutional protection of abortion was overturned.

The only good faith argument I’ve seen is that democrats should’ve tried harder to explicitly add it to the constitution. That way they don’t have to contort the interpretation of amendments to suit their agenda.

But, as tribalists go, it’s okay when your tribe does it (14th amendment) but bad when other tribes do it (2nd amendment.) And the worst people of all are the ones who call it out.

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Bodily autonomy enshrined in a nation’s most important document? Yeah that sounds pretty good.

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Enshrining it is fine. But taking a weak stance to link it to an amendment that never had it in mind, well, opens you up for its interpretation to get overturned.

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The ability to remove stuff from your body seems pretty damn important, though. Infected wisdom teeth, fatty tissue removal, cysts, appendixes infected or not…there’s very good reasons why someone might want to be able to remove something from their body. Seems un-American to infringe on someone’s rights.

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That’s fair. I think the other side is arguing any angle that will put the power to legislate back into the hands of states.

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Or, (and I know this is shocking), none of the rights in the Constitution work if privacy and bodily autonomy aren’t protected. Everything just falls apart.

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What’s your point?

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Exposing bad-faith arguments on both sides.

Neither of you are above tribalism or hypocrisy and should be criticized as such.

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“your camp”

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Yes, this is what tribalism results in.

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