Both sides may have done some shit, but one side is very clearly the aggressor, oppressor, and vile inhumane monster, and the other systematically enslaved, tortured, and driven off their own land.

If two people fight, but one of them literally walked up to the other and started beating the shit out of him, it’s not like “Well, they both fight dirty, so let’s not make it black and white but nuanced, like there IS no right and wrong.”

and the actions of the Israeli government are not the actions or even the will of the Israeli people

the government of Israel is nominally democratically elected. I have no idea how fair those elections were or weren’t. That government represents the people. if the people have a problem with it’s actions… it’s probably time for them to do something about it. In the mean time, there are some things that are pretty fucking black and white. Genocide is one of them.

Supporting genocide… is not cool.

We don’t have the privilege of knowing everything about the situation.

Are you saying that Israel is some how not committing war crimes and atrocities?

Exactly! And these protest vote morons couldn’t pick a worse time to bury their stupid heads in the sand

the problem is just having the one alternative

Let’s make this equal: Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.

Merely existing isn’t the same standard. Every single argument except “the holocaust and you owe us”… can be flipped and used to back a pro-Palestine position,

Further? Your argument is… pretty freaking atrocious. We have no moral obligation to provide military aid to Israel.

Providing military aid to a nation that is committed to a genocidal campaign more than kind of makes us complicit in said genocide.

We can and should support the civilians. Doesn’t mean we have to support genocide and provide genocidal maniacs weapons of war.

Finally, and this is critical. Israel is, nominally, a democratic state. The current government was elected into power what? Last year?

Gaza residents last had an election 17 years ago, with the wining party (Hamas) having been supported by Israel specifically to destabilize Palestine… and even then they only had 44% of the vote. More than half of Gazans that are alive today did not get to vote then.

It is fair to say that Gazans aren’t responsible for Hamas’ actions. It is less fair to say Israelis are not responsible.

I’m not sure an occupying force can claim any moral “right” to defend itself.

biden supporters shouldn’t sweep concerns like that under the rug because that’s how you lose elections. entitlement to people’s votes isn’t a good strategy, and “moderate” (right wing) candidates aren’t actually safer since the median American is progressive based on how they respond to polls on individual issues. I’m sick of having these arguments with biden fans who seem to support him despite these glaring issues. personally I wasn’t gonna vote for him anyways because I live in a deep blue state where it literally doesn’t matter but if we get a fascist takeover of the government because biden lost it’s all on biden fans for their poor choice in candidate and I just hope you’ll join us on the barricades