Comment by Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.net on I know we generally kind of reject electoralism here but how do yall see 2024 going?

Some of trumps recent remarks are keeping me up at night again. The Israel situation was keeping me up a l little bit ago and now it’s this dip shit again and his psychopath cronies

Trump wins and it’s the Dem’s fault as always because they have done absolutely positively nothing of value for any real person in America or the world at large. They could do literally anything, literally ONE FUCKING THING, and beat Trump. They could raise the minimum wage. They could pick literally any human rights issue that’s under attack in the US and make it law. They could give everyone $1000 bucks. Anything. Literally anything, and they would win.

They won’t though, so they’re gonna get destroyed and they’re gonna blame us.

I for one place the blame squarely on the parliamentarian.

Bit idea, we all vote for the parliamentarian since they apparently have more political power than every elected dem combined.

it’s the Dem’s fault as always because they have done absolutely positively nothing of value for any real person in America or the world at large

American Rescue Plan

Infaltion Reduction Act

CHIPS and Science Act

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act

Student Debt Relief

None of those helped anyone at all

don’t forget curing cancer

Great, so can you explain how any of those things materially help people continue to pay rent, healthcare, student loans (I can’t wait to hear how you think that the student debt relief somehow actually did anything material for student debt relief), buy groceries, etc? I’d love to hear you explain how that fancy list of hilariously named things actually accomplished anything.

Today’s announcement brings the total approved debt cancellation by the Biden-Harris Administration to nearly $132 billion for more than 3.6 million Americans.

Do you struggle with reading comprehension? Or did you just not actually read anything?

Gonna go ahead and say the people who figured out $130 billion isn’t the same as 1.3 trillion aren’t the ones with the reading comprehension problem.

Also mandatory “liberals try to convince you to vote for Biden without directly insulting you challenge, impossible”

I was going to vote for Biden but now I won’t because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they’ve even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

3.6 million Americans is 1% of the population lol

He helped 1% of the population out with an average of 35k loans with the BIG if of all the technicalities others have stated. Not even the most vulnerable either because these are the college educated

I don’t struggle with reading comprehension, no. In fact, I can read my student loan repayment plan, I can read the bill I still get every month, I can read the check I still have to send out every month, and I can see that the number hasn’t changed substantially during Biden’s term except for the payments I’ve made and am still making and will be making for decades to come. I’d send you a picture of the bill I get every month but it’s not written in crayon so it would probably be difficult for you

Same here. Say bye to $600/month, weeee

Ah, so because your personal, individual situation did not change, that means nothing of any value was accomplished for anyone.

The term for this is selfish.

Because they have not received help they need and were promised, they feel that they are let down by people that are now asking for their vote. The term for this is “reacting to being lied to”.

I’m selfish? I’m not sure you understand what that word means. See, I’m not that worried about myself, but I also recongize that I’m not special. If my material conditions didn’t change with some insubstantial student loan relief, then it stands to reason that many others also saw no change in their material conditions. To me, this means the policy was ineffective; if it didn’t help the people it needed to help, then it wasn’t much good at all, was it? It would be selfish if I claimed that my material conditions improved and that I didn’t care about other’s, but I didn’t claim that. My issue with the “student loan relief” is that it didn’t relieve student loans for everyone. There’s nothing selfish about demanding enacted policy have a positive impact on everyone it sets out to help.

I would however say that it is QUITE selfish to defend a policy that helped you or that didn’t set out to help you to begin with, but didn’t help everyone else that it did set out to help. I’m sure you’re a rational enough human to understand that.

Do you honestly think this moralistic browbeating is helping your case here?

Student Debt Relief

Good punchline.

Today’s announcement brings the total approved debt cancellation by the Biden-Harris Administration to nearly $132 billion for more than 3.6 million Americans.

$132 billion in approved debt cancellation out of a total of $1.7 trillion, and that paltry percentage is planned to be cancelled if people subscribe to the right repayment plans and have no meaningful changes in income (“Sorry bud, you gotta keep working retail for your entire adult life because otherwise your monthly expenses go up by a thousand dollars!”) over the next 40 years. And that’s assuming the entire plan doesn’t get scrapped by the next administration, which it almost certainly will be.

It cannot be overstated how absolutely, completely fucking useless this plan is. It makes the ACA look like the New Deal by comparison. It’s like King Louis XVI walking out to a horde of starving peasants and saying he totally addressed food prices by handing out two dozen loaves of bread every three months.

$1.7T total student loan debt lol

I see, so because the solution is not complete and immediate, it is meaningless.

No, because it reduces it by about 10% its meaningless to 90% of people.

Love this logic, according to liberals I could hand them $1 (or a note that says IOU $1) and then they’re never allowed to criticize me ever again because “oh what you want me tonsolve every problem at once, I did something which is deffinitly different from doing nothing”

132 billion is about 7.5% of 1.7 trillion.
Would you say 7.5 percent is a lot or very little?

In this case, emphatically yes. This isn’t a stepping stone to the needed solution. They could’ve done what was complete, immediate, and needed but chose some bullshit instead. They’re not trying to fix a problem, they’re trying to see what they can get away with.

The last time they raised the minimum wage was 2009. That’s $7.25/hr. How much pain has it been since then? How much more gap between the cost of living and $7.25/hr has it been?

12 years later…Full-time minimum wage workers can’t afford rent anywhere in the US, according to a new report (2021)

Kicking the can. Means testing. Excuses excuses excuses. But when a Republican gets in power do you hear any of this “be pragmatic” can kicking shit from them? No. They go whole hog. Yes it’s horrible and dangerous. And 10 years later the Dems will not only expand on those horrible and dangerous policies, they will be wrapping their arms around these horrible and dangerous people, welcoming them into the party while chastising the left for being unreasonable.

When the problem is complete and immediate, yes. You fucking dweeb

Yeah, he either did the thing or he didn’t

That’s how material reality works, if I didn’t get shit from him then he didn’t do shit for me and there isn’t a damn thing you can say to convince me otherwise

Record numbers of unemployed

Record numbers of homeless

Record high student loan debt

Housing market is fucked

Infrastructure is fucked

None of those plans have done a god-damned thing aside from making people like you pull a

People who can’t feed their kids now need to wait for an investment to pay divided and to want to feed their children right now is just being delusional. Government shouldn’t invest, it should fucking govern and should be replaced when it’s eating shit at doing so.

It’s honestly sad how accustomed American liberals are to the idea that the government shouldn’t be expected to do anything to tangibly improve people’s lives.

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