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You chuds are the ones constantly bleating about the rules based order, yet you never follow the rules you preach. Literally everything you moan about in your comment is something that the burger empire constantly does around the world. So, the question is why should other countries respect your rules while you prance around and play world police.

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I don’t completely disagree with that. A lot of US foreign policy is the same type of naked exercise of lawless power that’s all of a sudden a big emergency when someone else does it to our guys, yes.

That said, I wasn’t the one who started “bleating about the rules” in this instance. My whole point was, it’s a little weird to start shooting, bombing, and raping your neighbors, run away with whatever property you happen to have inside your borders, and then say the West “stole” the frozen sanction-money, when you can still up until the present day have it back any time you stop breaking international law in a big hundreds-of-thousands-of-dead-people way.

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It’s weird because it’s a false narrative divorced from reality. It was NATO that continued expanding towards Russia until eventually Russia said enough is enough. NATO has been invading and destroying countries for decades since the end of USSR. Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria are just a few examples of that. So, why would anybody expect Russia to tolerate an aggressive and hostile military alliance on its borders?

Furthermore, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.

Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:

The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.

The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.

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I can partially agree with the context you want to add to the situation, yes. That doesn’t change the fact the Russia is in a very literal sense shooting and bombing Ukrainian cities right now. Their explanation for why they’re doing it doesn’t mean it’s all of a sudden not what they’re doing.

Surely we can agree on that much?

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