I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

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I think I’m further along than you are, because I remember being terrified like that. Now I’m resigned to it, and planning for a time when I might have to feed myself and help around my community. And reading a lot of history to help with the idea of falling empires being a bad thing.

Still vote. It’s better than the alternative. But this is the end times and things are changing faster than our government is capable of dealing with.

Fucking “interesting times.”

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Okay, but it’s not the fall that’s a problem. Empires end all the time.

It’s what comes in between the fall and the next thing.

Because it can be a consensus that things need to change and a rational breakdown of how. That’s more or less how it went last time for the US. That happens. That’s an option.

Or it can be a big messy fight, which is more or less how that went immediately after that for the US.

Or it can be total domination from the fascists, at which point it’s no longer a US problem and one starts wondering if there is a “next thing” at all.

I’m sorry to be the bearer of even more bad news, but hitting rock bottom is a lot of work. You don’t get to relax and enjoy the ride, I’m afraid.

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I’m not worried. I’m sure you’ll get there. You can’t keep this up.

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Oh, you can. For decades. Because if you don’t, a time will come when you don’t get a choice at all, and that can last for decades, too.

And no, I won’t get over it. The more disinterest and lack of urgency I see from people the less I get over it, in fact.

I think there’s a lack of remembered trauma, perhaps. It certainly doesn’t sink in to many Americans. That’s why the Germans immediately went out to protest, but the American frog is calmly simmering. You do you, but I find it irresponsible to keep everybody else in the splash zone.

In any case, I think the question has been answered.

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Lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way.

Your moping isn’t going to help my people if fascism wins and they see fit to start killing me and my people.

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