Comment by DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world on Way to go, guys!

There are legitimate criticisms to be had of Biden, but in every case, Trump is unambiguously worse. If Trump were pro-Palestine, I could maybe understand single-issue voters preferring him to Biden…but he’s not.

To be honest, I have little hope for 2024. Genuine fake news is rampant, and in pretty much every case it hurts Biden (misinformation about the economy, etc.). I’ll be voting a straight Dem ticket in my very red state, and hoping against all hope that uninformed voters somehow do the right thing.

no one is saying they’re going to vote for trump. they’re saying they won’t vote for biden

Lmao, that’s the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid when you think about it. Especially in response to this meme.

In FPTP not voting for the chosen democratic representative means one vote less is required for the conservative. It doesn’t matter if that’s because you added a vote for Democrats, or didn’t vote at all. Same for voting 3rd party, it just ensures you get the candidate you want the least.

I agree with this. Choosing a lesser evil in a FPTP, bicameral political system is not the answer. Pushing for ranked choice voting is the answer, and one step towards proportional representation like what we see in the EU.

And not voting is never the answer.

that the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid

I voted for Howie in 2020 and Biden won. you don’t seem to know how voting works.

You don’t seem to know what anecdotal evidence or statistical analysis works.

Biden barely won, and you didn’t get the candidate you wanted. In 2016, it’s people like you who gave trump the victory

people who voted for Trump gave him the victory. 50 years of people like Joe biden running the Democrat party gave Trump the victory. don’t blame me.

But they’ve been running the conservative party the same way for 50 years too. You’re literally admitting to hate Biden so much you let the conservatives win even if that meant making the US worse.

Literally what the meme is about. Tell us, what have you gained from it aside from more frustration and hate? Biden didnt learn anything from 2016. You can blame biden when you lose your democracy, but you’ll still have lost your democracy. I wouldn’t wait for Biden to fix that. The democratic party is more than one person making decisions, and handing the power to your enemy is not how you make changes within your own team.

Same for voting 3rd party, it just ensures you get the candidate you want the least.

this claim is obviously false, since I have provided proof against it. if you want to weaken the claim, moving the goalposts, that’s fine, but don’t break a sweat.

Not sure if you’re just being intentionally thick or a troll.

Youre explaining yourself that despite you voting against him, Biden won, and you didn’t want Trump and the person you voted for didn’t win. So your actions gave you the least chance of having a candidate you were aligned with.

If anything, you are giving proof that it’s a dumb thing to do. But that would be anecdotal evidence, and there’s no need for that.

If you manually run the results and the effects of 3rd parties, it’s pretty clear that it makes no sense in First Past the Post.

It’s a thing known as The spoiler effect, or vote splitting and has always been a documented thing that dumb people don’t understand. Who do you think funds these 3rd parties in the first place…

Youre being played.

Yeah and we could find one person who voted for vermin supreme, Biden still won. What would their point be if they were here, I wonder? Speaking of points, what’s yours?

Oh man give me Vermin Supreme. I think he could make a real difference.

Speaking of points, what’s yours?

no one is saying they’re going to vote for trump. they’re saying they won’t vote for biden

Therefore Trump wins. Abstaining is still an action, and still has an effect as much as you want to be above it all on your moral high horse.

The end result is the same.

I mean it practically is. The happy pain supporters will still show up to dish out their warped idea of hateful justice.

If water was flooding into your house and you said you won’t bother to turn the water main off because the roof is failing you still end up with a flooded house.

The incident is happening whether or not you participate in it. The best you can do is push against it even if it’s tiring and doesn’t fix all things. And unless you are ending your own existence then you will be around to experience the fallout.

Self inflicted pain still hurts even if you think it’s deserved. I know it’s rough but the world keeps spinning without your input. Fate is for those that do not act.

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