Comment by DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe on Come on Barbie lets go Party

So you agree America is more powerful than the British Empire?

In military power, yes. Greatest empire ever, no.

One, no empire is “great,” they all suck donkey dick, that’s the definition of an empire, two, the meme specifically states “most powerful.”

America is objectively the most powerful empire to ever exist, just as the British were more powerful than the Romans.

i think the only thing keeping china from taking that top slot is reach and the use of the dollar worldwide. both of those are collapsing. the US might not be the biggest asshole on the planet for much longer

Eh… don’t count on it. China has some significant weaknesses. In the short term, economic growth has slowed significantly. Debt in the private and public sector is having consequences, both in the housing market and elsewhere. In the longer term, China is aging at a faster rate than the US, both due to a low birth rate and immigration rates that are virtually nonexistent compared to the US. China’s GDP is outpacing the US for now, but it’s an open question how long that pace will last.

Yeah, instead we’ll get a nation that treats North Korean workers so poorly they riot and execute the management.

Good times for humanity ahead…

OK, what’s your basis for objective measurement?

The ability to literally kill all multicellular life on Earth is a good starting point for “powerful”

Along with Russia, China, India, France and the UK. And North Korea and Pakistan.

And no, the US doesn’t have the greatest number. That’s Russia.

So, no, the US is not “objectively the most powerful”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

That America’s actually work tip the scales, along with having a military not made of meat grinder slaves and eighty year old Soviet tanks. Plus, you know, a real navy and air force.

And while modern France and peers could indeed no diff the Romans or Victorian Britain, only America and Russia have enough nukes to kill the world (go us!)

I just wouldn’t call it an empire, that’s all. I’m not a historian but to me, empires are made by occupying other countries.

The US is a powerful nation of course, but they don’t have the same focus on conquest as the other countries throughout history have had.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny

Just ignoring the concept of neocolonialism for a second, most American land was stolen through conquest. That the American Empire is not currently aggressively expanding is irrelevant, did Rome not count as an empire when its borders were stable?

That would be interesting, to compare the land mass of the US with the max size of the Roman empire. My guess is that the romans would win by a hair.

But the Brits would definitely win because they have Australia, which is almost as big as the continental US just in itself, let alone all the other countries they conquered.

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