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Car dependency punishes poor people. The solution is viable alternatives, for which having fewer cars is often very beneficial.

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Raising the gas prices 10x overnight won’t create those alternatives overnight, nor will it put petrol companies out of business because they pass the cost on to consumers who are mostly forced to buy gas at whatever the current price is with no other viable transportation method.

Infrastructure takes time. Sadly the US govt isn’t even at the starting line for any meaningful public transit system in most cities.

If gas prices went up 10x overnight, some higher earners could switch to working from home (a positive result), but other industries such as retail don’t really get that luxury… Contributing to more wealth inequality

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You do realize the post here said gradually, right? Why are you strawmaning them and saying overnight?

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No shit, I’m not saying that.

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Yes, but that alternative infrastructure needs to be in place before you can start really discouraging cars with, for example, high gas prices. Raising gas prices to that extent right now in most places outside of a few major cities would just cause people not to be able to get to work.

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@heatofignition @mondoman712

Nah. Public policy isn’t a neat project plan you can accomplish in chronological order. The measurement of good policy isn’t whether or not there are zero negative impacts on lower income folks.

The status quo is bad. Do what’s possible. If you can raise gas prices do it. If you can increase transit do it. Each improvement will virtuously reinforce other improvements.

#transit

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@owen @heatofignition @mondoman712 Put enough good quality alternatives in, and you can get modal shift without resorting to punative measures.

If walking, cycling, or catching a train to a given destination is faster and easier than driving, then that’s what many people will do.

But those alternatives — fast metro systems, frequent busses, light rail, barrier-protected and off-street cycling paths — need to be in place first.

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In my Australian city they keep restricting more and more free parking areas near town, pushing the problem out into nearby residential areas when it’s still free, merely a few more minutes walk away.

All the while, not improving any bus services.

The cognitive disconnection is amazing.

Then again, the people running the city council will all have dedicated parking spaces just outside their offices.

So…

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So because you think alternatives that don’t exist should you would raise gas prices and obscene amount and put people on the streets?

I live in a small rural town where everybody commutes to their factory job and is already barely scraping by. What do you think all those people should do to stave off being homeless when they can’t afford to drive?

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I think the alternatives should be good enough that raising gas prices isn’t a problem.

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Please tell me your plan to collect all of the people spread across half of a state who commute to a central location.

Mobility enables poor people. Not all poor people live in an idealistic 15-minute city.

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Communism. They should do a communism.

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