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100%. That’s the perfect way of putting it too. Sagan seemed super humble and had a genuine state of wonder with with universe. NDT seems like an insufferable know it all douche who just likes publicity. Being a know it all seems antithetical to science.

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Yeah! It’s kinda the point of science to learn more and figure out more and more how little you know. You’re supposed to inspire people to learn the sciences. Not railroad them into believing scientists are all like this.

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