The only logical conclusion to that line of thinking is, 30 years from now, voting for the candidate who supports 5 genocides as opposed to the candidate who supports 10 genocides. It is a liberal and fascistic strategy. Any vote within the American electoral system, which is kabuki theater, does nothing other than to refine capitalism and the regime.
I love how unhinged your argument is, essentially boiling down to “Voting is a waste”. Get out of here with that noise. You “both sides are the same” fools are just foreign disinformation agents, or useful idiots.
Lemmy is absolutely infested with this nonsense.
I’ve seen it a lot, yeah. I’m proud of how well Lemmy has pushed back on it.
Bud, what? We need a revolution, yes, but it takes time to build it up - we’re not going to overthrow the government tomorrow. So, what do we do while we’re building up that support? Keep the country stitched up with the knock-off duct tape that is the democrats. Yes, the entire thing is coming apart at the seams, and pieces are falling off, but it’s better than letting people actively break it further. There will be no revolution if there’s nobody left to rise up.
Not only this, but our populace keeps shifting socially leftward. Hence why we have legalized gay marriage and why trans rights are even able to be discussed openly. The dems have been forced to shift their stances from the 90s on these issues bc of their core demographic shifting to the left.
Take note that lgbt rights, privacy, universal healthcare, and sensible climate change policies are no longer fringe, they are at the forefront of what the youth wants. Dont believe the lie that things will only get worse from here if we compromise on status quo joe.
The country is changing whether we like it or not. Either the leftward trend of the majority continues and those who wish to be elected fall in line, or we vote for the biggest boot youll ever see in ur lifetime.
Social acceptance of queer people is falling. Maybe if we’re talking about the prospects of revolution, we shouldn’t wait until social acceptance of queer people is so low that no one wants to work with us to make necessary change. I’m not saying revolution has to happen before this upcoming election since numbers aren’t changing that much (even though falling acceptance is always scary), but “society will generally move leftward” isn’t something that should be trusted or expected.
From a study of 22,000 adults published march of 2024:
Support for non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ Americans has dropped four points in the past year, from 80% in 2022 to 76% in 2023.
Even young Americans, aged 18-29, show a gradual decrease in support for LGBTQ nondiscrimination laws over the last three years, declining from a peak of 83% in 2020 to 75% in 2023.
Support for same-sex marriage has declined among Americans in the last year, dropping from 69% to 67%.
I hope you’re right, but I honestly see our current political options as being the government’s response to our own successful pulls toward the left. “You want to force our Dems to support ever more left-leaning ideals? Well, we’ll just push our Conservatives ever further to the right, so you feel compelled to vote even for a moderate democrat to prevent them from getting power!” The government has just as much ability to force our hand as we do on it - or, more likely, even moreso. I believe this election is an example of that.
You say “build it up”, but what you really mean is “achieve revolution via electoralism” - which has no historical basis. This is liberalism.
It’s been achieved several times, and I’m sure you’ll remember it the instant you have an opportunity to talk about this or that elected socialist which the CIA had a hand in deposing.
From a historical basis, it’s almost more important that countries like America achieve revolution through electoralism, because it would the revolution direct oversight to abolish and reform the machinery that has been used to reverse electoral revolution elsewhere in the world.
Especially with how much effort goes into trying to rig the system against the possibility, a strong enough electoral victory even for a para-socialist coalition will open the door to exponential electoral capture back from the right.
Filibuster reform can take use to voting rights law, voting rights law can take use to congressional expansion, congressional expansion can take us to voting system reform and multi-seat districting, those can take us to unabashed leftists running independently or in a proper American Worker’s Party, and with the electoral viability of a solid leftist AWP, the sky is the goddamned limit, but to reach the heavens, you still gotta lay the brickwork down here on earth, and that means ya gotta vote.
Man it’s like I can hear how white the people you get your politics from are
Nobody who actually lives the difference talks like this, get off your high horse.
