The listed excerpts are actually quite tame compared to what the actual plan is.
slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security
invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries
create a federally funded “American Academy” that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded “wokeness or jihadism”. The plan would also be funded by taxing the endowments of major universities
every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother’s state of residence, and by what method
I stopped looking, not because there was any shortage of further crazy shit. There’s plenty more.
Yeah, and there’s a fair amount of money behind this push…which like…I’m not American, don’t live in the States, but my sister and her wife do…and I’ve gotta figure out how to get them the fuck out if things go Trump again…
Edit: also, living in the UK I run into loads of people who go “Well, if Trump gets in again, that’s not really our problem…” but like…the USA makes they’re problems everyone’s problem. And another Trump presidential term would be a huge problem for the rest of the world…
also, living in the UK
Yeah, I’ve been following UK politics by way of TrashFuture podcast and I gotta say… your immigration plan is to deport people to Rwanda and your government just endorsed a Trans-Panic Committee to decide whether teenagers can consent to gender-affirming care.
And these are the moderate Labour Party positions. Liz Truss wants to do worse.
God damn, dude. Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition. You can just let the Yanks have this one.
They look at our right wing propaganda machine to see what “works.” They also get the added “benefit” of our toxic sludge that is online political discourse to feed off of. They don’t need new issues as they have a repository of shit to pick from…
Why does Americas #2 export need to be toxic right wing bullshit…
Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition.
I’m only here on a marriage visa, I’m not a P.R or citizen yet, so I’m not allowed to vote against having these bigots and con-men in power. Also, while labour is somewhat moderate, the Tories are in power, and they’re a bunch of fucking nut jobs. Labour can’t decide what they stand for anymore, which means they will stand for nothing, and the rest of the available parties will never get to power again. The available options are shit, just like in the States. And the Yanks think they invented having a shit government, but lemme tell you, the Brits have been fucking up their own government and foreign governments for a lot longer the the US has been a thing.
The UK gets whatever the US gets, it just sometimes lags by a few years depending on how long it takes for the US to excrete it over here.
While that’s partly true, Boris was your own fault. Let’s just blame the Australians.
Yeah we’ll take the uk and Canada down with us. Honestly probably the EU and we’ll try for Russia as well
create a federally funded “American Academy” that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded “wokeness or jihadism”.
I gotta say, this is hilarious both in how it delivers lip service to a popular idea (free public higher education) and outright mangles the implementation so its guaranteed to fail (why the fuck would any serious employer value an anti-wokeness degree?)
every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders
Government small enough to fit in your vagina.
Also like I was radicalized in college without my courses including any of that shit. Nothing drove me to the labor left harder than having it drilled into be how I’ll need to explain human suffering in dollars in my ergonomics class. And like the teacher wasn’t wrong and he was very conservative.
Over in !conservative@lemm.ee I got banned for posting about Project 2025. They claim it breaks rule 2 which is to only post pro-conservative or anti-liberal posts. Fucking echo chamber over there.
Same as r/conservatives was.
Projection is the game. You see these wackos all over YouTube bemoaning “my comments keep getting deleted” (which doesn’t seem true), yet go on their turf and they’ll happily silence you as that’s different.
Reminds me of “the only moral abortion is mine”. The only people being silenced is us, what we’re doing might look the same but trust me bro it’s not.
Free speech gets lip service over there. I don’t know why the admin tolerates that community.
Especially with how poor their moderation is. Wintermute regularly deletes comments they disagree with, Momo is left to insult people and rage with near impunity, and it regularly spouts misinformation/disinformation. It’s an example of how NOT to run a community.
You’re free to say anything I agree with, unlike in those liberal channels where I’m censored for speaking my personal truth.
But you’re not free to violate the terms of service of the contract you signed when you walked in. In very plain bold text I wrote “Don’t say anything I don’t like”. And you agreed to it by being here.
So agree with me or GTFO.
Holy shit. That place is a cesspit. Every post is downvoted to hell. What the fuck?
Lemmy is pretty liberal. I downvote their posts when they end up on my feed but it’s apparent I’m not the only one.
Ironically the actual don’t tread on me people are on the left.
Turns out we don’t have to live under Reddit.
I always felt that lemm.ee was more conservative (and capilistic). They seem less progressive, more modernist. The issue is it’s hard to tell since it federates with other instances, so I mostly have to go by usernames made off that instance.
I joined this instance because .world made joining harder during the migration, I mean I’m not HARD left, but I doubt I count as conservative
As a Radical Democrat (the philosophy not the party, although I am registered and vote dem) I am offended
It’s not like anywhere else, here or any other place, isn’t an echo chamber… they’re just generally more so. It’s a really disturbing place but let’s not pretend any other place is objective and fully accepting of different views.
Lemmy as a whole is an echo chamber too. Look at how things blew up in this post. This is an extreme scenario, not every conservative cares about project 2025. I have conservative family and coworkers who are conservative because they hate change and want to live in the “good old days”, not because they worship trump or are nazis… And yet everyone here thinks “all conservatives are evil”.
They don’t care about it, but they’ll happily vote for the people trying to implement it.
Nah, that’s ancient. Racial segregation, like with the Jim Crow laws, will probably do fine for a start. Maybe also take back women’s voting rights. Needless to say that homosexuality gets banned as well again. I mean, it’s a rather modern phenomenon that it has been legalized at all. /s
There was no slavery in this part of the world, there wasn’t a single person of color in my hometown until the early 2010s.
They want religion to get its power back and/or they want to keep their wealth. There is probably more, but none of them want immigrants out, guns or that project 2025 shit.
A lot of people here turned conservative due to the covid measures, which were more extreme than pretty much anywhere else in North America.
What “good old days” exactly are you describing? I expect it wasn’t as good as they think, and was especially bad for many who weren’t white, hetero, and male.
Well yes, the people I’m describing were white cis christian males. Of course it wasn’t as good as they remember, but the human brain tends to exagerate memories over time. A lot of conservatives are getting old and most of their life is behind them. Can you blame them for looking back rather than looking forward? Most people don’t care about politics and will vote for the side they slightly lean towards without a second thought.
This is Canada though, so no Trump. You say their motivation won’t matter, but while for the end result you are right, keep in mind that a lot of people don’t care about politics. There are many things to care about in life and we can’t care about everything with the limited time we have. They were however told to never waste a vote. So they vote, with their somewhat limited knowledge, and this is what happens.
Getting banned for different views (assuming they were presented in a civilized manner) creates echo chambers. Surpressing other opinions will uniform thinking and perception. That enforces echo chambers.
Sure, Lemmy leans a lot more to the left due to it’s user base. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s an echo chamber as a whole. You can easily evade snowballing effects here by sorting your posts differently, e.g., scaled. There is no algorithm which tries to keep you on the platform by serving you stuff you like and hiding stuff you don’t like. Thereby again, defying what’s typical for echo chambers.
You can voice your views and opinions and sometimes surely get downvoted to hell for that. But as long as it doesn’t break any “be nice” rules it’s usually going to be still visible and seen by others. People might disagree, but you are not surpressed. Thereby again, not an echo chamber.
It becomes problematic though if specific instances or communities ban you for having a different (harmless and civilised expressed) opinion. That will indeed create echo chambers as only that is allowed which is similar to the common tone.
And admittedly, having a user base which is dominated by politically left leaning users, seems not to be helpful in terms of diverse political discussions (although I don’t see how conservatives have ever been objectively or ethically right about something :p ), but from my experience this hasn’t become a problem here, since even left folks love to shoot each other in the feet and have diverse and deep (often fruitful) discussions.
It isn’t as big as some other places, yes, but to say it isn’t one doesn’t really sound true either.
an echo chamber is an environment or ecosystem in which participants encounter beliefs that amplify or reinforce their preexisting beliefs
In the months I’ve been on lemmy, not once have I encountered a right-wing post, yet I see left-wing posts multiple times a day. By definition, how is it not an echo chamber? I suppose lemmy as a whole might not be, but the resulting lemmy I browse sure is.
“I literally can’t tell either side apart. Both sides are the same!”
“One side is clearly worse, but they’re both literally in favor of human extinction.”
“You’re basically saying both sides are the same. Why would you say something so absurd?”
Well? Answer the question please
Seriously, when the red guys are committing 90% of the crimes why do you people always focus on the 10% the blue guys do?
I mean I know why, I just want to see you struggle to explain how you’re totally not a Russian stooge, pinky promise
If the democrats hold “civility” and “precedent” more highly than outlawing a candidate who, by their own admission, would plunge the country into fascism, then democrats are complicit.
Dog, take a look at what has happened this week alone (under a dem president): arguing in favor of unprecedented levels surveillance to any president, sending billions of dollars to a genocidal regime, the revelation that like 40% of democrats are in favor of mass deportations…
Fascism is already here. Just because it is being formally codified in Project 2025 doesn’t mean it has yet to arrive. Democrats, and liberalism in general, are unable to stomp fascism.
While I agree, it’s still important to vote Democrat just to keep things from getting worse even faster while we drum up support for a better solution.
Na fuck that. Voting Democrat is voting against progression. Progression will be achieved by igniting the masses. You fuel the fire and the new growth is what will grow to the old forest for your grandkids kids who will never know or thank you will live in. Vote Trump and burn the fucker to the ground.
The only logical conclusion to that line of thinking is, 30 years from now, voting for the candidate who supports 5 genocides as opposed to the candidate who supports 10 genocides. It is a liberal and fascistic strategy. Any vote within the American electoral system, which is kabuki theater, does nothing other than to refine capitalism and the regime.
Project 25?
Seen this mentioned twice now. What is it? Sure i can, and will, google it. Just nice to have a record here for others too.
The the heritage foundations wishlist for fascism. The heritage foundation is responsible for all of the conservative judges that get “chosen.” They hand a list to Republicans and those are the candidates that are picked from. The heritage foundation is top on my list of “things that really need to die in a fire.”
Some real “high integrity” content includes:
Rooting out democrats/liberals from federal positions.
The previously mentioned banning porn.
Defunding NOAA and privatizing the national weather service that people literally depend on for their lives. Privatize as in "you no longer get access to life saving weather information unless you pay us.
Etc…
Edit: there’s a good list of a few more from @mozz in a comment below that I’ll tack on here:
slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security
Invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries
Create a federally funded “American Academy” that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded “wokeness or jihadism”. The plan would also be funded by taxing the endowments of major universities
every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother’s state of residence, and by what method
you’ll actually believe them when they try to tell you that both sides are the same thing.
I mean, look at that last batch of legislation on Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, and TikTok that got passed through both houses by wide margins. There’s definitely a political consensus on certain issues, particularly when it comes to advantaging American private businesses or pursing certain foreign policy objectives.
You might get a dispute over whether we should be arming Ukraine against Russia or kicking off a fight between Taiwan and China instead. But there’s near-zero daylight on Israel, and its not hard to see why. Same with the TikTok ban, which US social media companies have been salivating over for months.
Ukraine needs to be funded, and the only way dems could get that piece of legislation was to throw in israeli support, but that is not all that bipartisan in congress, only in the streets do i see both conservatives and social liberals both sporting “support Ukraine” stickers. The GOP wanted to pass even more aid to israel that failed.
Not as sure on Taiwan, but agreed that banning Tik Tok was absolutely bipartisan. Also true that US social media companies mist be salovating over that one, but that is not why it was passed. Tik Tok is being banned bc it enables a foreign adversary to spy on our citizens. This one keeps being framed as a privacy issue, but unlike things like the patriot act, there is actual reason to close Tik Toks back door.
Tik Tok was banned because social media companies didn’t want competition.
Finally, gender is now illegal. We did it bo- I mean people
