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What the actual fuck? They are pretty clear what they want. ONE we stop giving weapons to isreal. TWO we stop getting in the way of a cease fire. THREE we start giving humanitarian aid to trapped Palestinians. FOUR we cooperate with The Hague on what evidence we have on isreal war crimes.

These are things we could do without much effort that would have immediate impact on both stopping the genocide and boosting his numbers.

I get we want “our strategic ally in the Middle East” but maybe if we stop doing all the war crimes and genocide we wouldn’t need to write a blank check to Israel every-time they run out of genocide juice. If our status as an ally to isreal is contingent on what we are doing, we are not an ally we are being used.

It seems this thread pops up every time Fox News talks about Biden’s slipping numbers. The disillusionment of the left is real. And calling them out and saying “but trump!” Is not going to convince them, it’s not like they forgot.

If they complain about Biden being complicit in genocide. Now the time to do it. And it’s up to them if they follow through with their threat, and it’s up to Biden if he’s willing to risk it

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I’m not asking what Biden could do, I’m very clear on what he could do.

What I’m saying is what we as individuals could do to pressure them realistically.

You’re failing to recognize the inherent biases of the voting system, we all know that our system favors a two party outcome. Which is to say it’s a statistical improbability for anyone except for the two most popular parties to win.

This isn’t just my opinion this is well known statistical fact with many years to back it up.

This puts us in the awkward place of choosing the least bad candidate, Obviously pressuring Biden isn’t working and I’m not happy about it.

But when we consider our vote we have to consider more than just the situation in the middle East, something that the Republicans don’t even want to fix.

That’s why I think it would be better to pressure Congress and to push for ranked choice voting and to continue to protest.

Because at least rank choice voting would allow us to vote for a better option rather than the least bad option.

You fell into the same trap, no actionable advice to the individual.

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You will never, short of a violent revolution, EVER get Congress to pass ranked choice voting. That would dilute both parties power. Preventing you from having a meaningful choice is the only true bipartisan effort. And democrats have already said they would veto any primary vote on candidate when they wish. And have stood in the way of states enacting ranked choice voting on a state level.

Also you might convince accelerationists to not follow through with the threat of not voting or voting trump. But unfortunately that is probably the smallest fraction of those disillusioned. Most normally never vote, and a bunch feel the system is broken and feel betrayed by Biden. It takes effort to get these voters, and Biden has unfortunately done less then nothing. Well other then holding excusing college debt over peoples heads to enact piece meal whenever his number take a dip.

Truly Biden has to do something to galvanize his base, because it’s looking grim

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You might be right, Biden could very well lose. It’s an important issue he has not taken enough action on.

Reactionairies and single issue voters are a part of every political system, problem is that the opposition is status quo.

My only issue is that a large part of our base here on Lemmy who should know better than to promote apathy and accelerationism

To be clear I don’t necessarily blame them it’s hard to be pragmatic in times like these but things can always get worse and if we’re not careful they will.

I’m even up for a violent revolution. What I’m not up for is an apathetic slide.

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I get we want “our strategic ally in the Middle East”

Oh absolutely. Can’t risk Egypt setting market rates on Suez Traffic. We’ll support endless genocide to prevent that.

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Democrats claim to be the good guys but can’t stop themselves from engaging in this massive faschie disinformation campaign about anyone left of genocide Joe. I’ve not seen a single user in leftist forums saying we should vote Trump for “acceleration” but I can’t fucking escape it being thrown around as a consistent fact by dems.

Same with how they can’t call a third party vote a “third party vote,” its always a “spoiler” or “protest vote,” (when they aren’t outright lying and claiming anyone not voting Biden is actually not voting and advocating for others to not vote.)

Turns out, if you need leftists to win you should probably stop telling them to eat shit and lying about them at every fucking turn. I’m no political expert but 🤷‍♂️

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The president isn’t the entire government there are other places you can put pressure. I’m not saying what’s happening is right, I’m not saying that you should vote for him.

If you are moral compass won’t allow you to align yourself with Joe Biden I completely understand that.

You have to acknowledge the reality that by dying on that hill you choose the other option whether you mean to or not. We should be rioting the streets to change it but it is the way it is.

It is more complex than that because of things like unequal vote distribution but more or less that’s what it boils down to.

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“If you don’t vote blue no matter who its actually your fault”

No, it’s Democrats fault for consistently and firmly moving right time and time again to court ““centrists”” as they tell me as a voter to shut the fuck up , tell me “no we won’t consider your positions,” and flat out lie about me and my positions to villify me in the eyes of establishment voters.

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