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For those unaware, Organic Maps (uses OSM) is really good! It’s good for 90% of all ur navigation needs. For the rest 10%, there’s no good alternative to google maps unfortunately.

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Some further clarification on the closed source thing from their FAQ:

Why is Magic Earth free? What is the business model?

Magic Earth is free for all our end-users but we also have a paid Magic Earth SDK for business partners. For instance Selectric.de (a supplier for navigation solutions for ambulances and fire trucks), Smarter AI (developing ADAS systems) or Absolute Cycling (using the platform on bicycles). For more info on the SDK, you can check magiclane.com.

Will Magic Earth be Open Source?

No; since it is also used commercially (we have a paid Magic Earth SDK for business partners), we cannot make the code public.

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Like there’s no open source project with commercial paid licence ?

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Traffic updates aren’t exactly a problem for me as I travel everywhere using my bicycle/public transit.

The only problem I face is that I can’t get public transit information on OSM. Now ideally the city should be the one making this information accessible. Unfortunately for me, I currently live in a shitty city (although not for long). Therefore, within a matter of months, Organic would meet almost 100% of my navigation needs.

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pretty sure organic is working on that, I remember there being docs on building with PT data.

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Nothing competes with osmand for hiking or cycling.

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My issue with these is that my use case is public transport, for that it seems like GMaps is still unbeatable, i hope to find an alternative as good or better based on OSM soon because it’s the one tool i still have no alternative to

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Same same. This is a problem in shithole cities. Good cities have their own transit apps (which are like Uber for public transit).

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Out of curiosity, any examples? I know for NYC people use Citymapper, but that’s available for most big cities.

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Where are you from? Where I live (in the Netherlands) there’s an official tool from the public transport services which works just as well as gmaps to plan your train/tram/metro/bus journey.

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If you’re American, some of them support transit now. I have Magic Earth and it supports it in most major metro areas (and even my dinky little city I believe lol)

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Wow, organic maps is really nice, seems like a much cleaner user interface than OsmAnd, whereas OsmAnd has more options.

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I think 5 out of that 10% is supplemented by OsmAnd. But it does not have public transport schedules and traffic data.

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Traffic data? If a grandmother had a penis, she would be a grandfather To implement this function, Osmand should gather location data from every user.

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Not necessarily. The data is out there. I don’t think they could make it a part of the core app for legal reasons, but OsmAnd has a plugin system. Basically anyone could make it other than OsmAnd devs. Distribution could happen over an F-droid repo.

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There are often individual apps for various cities and transport organizations.

Traffic has always been a mixed bag. Yeah it’s nice to be able to see that street A is more busy than street B. But so can everybody else, and they’re all going to use street B now.

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Meh, I find most people don’t even bother.

I use secondary routes 90% of the time by default, because they’re just as fast with less mental effort and less risk.

Why go with all the lemmings?

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But so can everybody else, and they’re all going to use street B now.

In my experience that’s not how it works out. It’s about balancing the load, while making the driver take the least amount of detour needed.
Street B only has to handle the remaining traffic, and street A has a chance to unclog or at least be a faster route as some of its traffic does not exist anymore.

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What are the rest 10%?

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Reviews most definitely. Hard to beat that

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I’m glad I came back to this thread. Would never have heard of this!

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Can you search for street addresses?

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Yes, it does. I have used it successfully for months. My main issue is I need traffic data due to a new job and figuring which route to take. AFAIK, no other nav app has traffic data. That’s the only real bummer.

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HERE WeGo has traffic data but of course, as in Google Maps, it sources from other users of the same app.

If not many people use HERE, then the data is also not reliable.

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I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can believe this, I keep trying it over and over and over and it fails on the absolute most basic of business searches. And some of the directions it gives are just completely nonsensical, and it’s voice guidance is absolutely terrible making it fairly easy to miss a Direction if you’re not able to be looking at the screen

I hate giving my location to Google but at the end of the day they are still the only GPS navigation that doesn’t suck at basic navigation

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Do u live in some place less humans live? Like a village or something? OSM is mapped by volunteers, which means that less OSM enthusiasts around you = worse mapping. Perhaps you could start a little bit of mapping?

As for the voice navigation, well Organic doesn’t have its own voice. It uses ur phone’s native text to speech engine. If u have completely degoogled ur phone, then u probably would be using some other tts engine (which most probably sucks ass).

As for the searches, yeah, they need a better local search engine.

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I don’t just mean the voice, even just HOW it gives directions. Google maps gives you multiple warnings for a turn , one way before, one approaching, one right at. It also will often tell you which lane to take a turn in if multiple exist (use the second from the left lane to turn left) if your next turn is right after with little warning.

It’s been a hot minute so i can try again to see if it’s changed but directions were terrible with little extra warning and no taking the next direction into account.

The map was also just… Messy, little outlines for buildings everywhere a bunch of random green squares all over the map that I couldn’t figure out how to turn off and wasn’t even sure what they were meant to represent other than they seemed to roughly correspond with grassy or treed areas but for using it as a navigation app that is extremely annoying because it just makes the whole map of cluttered mess and makes it difficult to really tell what I’m looking at when I’m trying to drive and need to see my next Direction quickly and easily at a glance

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