Comment by Land_Strider@lemmy.world on CW: New York Times report finds israel systematically rapes Palestinians, sometimes to death.

Fucking medieval torture mindset with permanent crusade base.

Similar to the reports of Russian soldiers putting plastic pipes up people’s butts to feed up razor wire to pull out slowly after the pipe is removed, or China putting electric shock sticks up people’s butts among the Uyghur camps.

Humans suck.

Or Americans hooking Abu Gharib prisoners up to car batteries.

Or Saudis dismembering Jamal Khashoggi with a bone saw while still alive.

Or Italy’s practice of deliberately sinking refugee floatillas in the Mediterranean so as to deny migrants asylum claims.

Humans suck.

#NotAllHumans

We know and care about these atrocities because we don’t all suck. But there is definitely an economic structure in place that rewards this behavior as well as a fascist media apparatus that both censors and celebrates it.

While I’m sure that there was torture at Abu Ghraib, including electrocution, I’d just like to note that car batteries are typically only at 12 volts (sometimes 24) and at that voltage potential can’t really harm people. They could have wired up multiple batteries in series but I think it’s more likely they just used cables connected to an outlet.

that voltage potential can’t really harm people

Injury involving contact with a vehicle battery

A 12 volt vehicle battery was being disconnected using a crescent wrench, which slipped and grounded out when it came in contact with metal. The person received a burn on his ring finger as his gold ring had come into contact with the wrench. The injury was completely around the ring finger and severe enough to cause concern about the loss of the finger from a lack of adequate circulation.

It has been pointed out that most vehicle batteries have 600-800 cranking amps, compared to 75 amps for stick welding and 300 amps for air arc welding. Severe burn injuries can occur and caution should be exercised when handling such batteries, including removing rings and other jewellery before starting work near or on a battery/connected wires and equipment.

I would consider third-degree electrical burns harmful.

Right, but that’s not exactly electrocution, that’s just burning. Through a metal, 12V will be more than enough to create a current that makes the conductor very hot, but through a human it likely will not be able to cause any damage whatsoever.

Could that be used as a form of torture? Absolutely, not disputing that. But for electrocution, a car battery would not do, and for burning a blowtorch would be more effective.

Yes, if you run hundreds of amps through metal it gets hot, but that’s not electrocution which is what the person you’re replying to is talking about. You can’t really electrocute someone with less than about 50V because the human body has too much resistance. You can try it yourself; lick 2 fingers and touch both poles of a car battery; you won’t feel anything because your skin has too much resistance for 12V to meaningfuly pass through. The only danger a 12V battery poses is if you short it with a piece of metal then that metal will get very hot and often hot enough to melt or explode both itself and/or the battery. But as far as torture goes a car battery is a very round about way to heat up a chunk of metal when you could just use a torch or something.

It’s regular burn, not electrical one.

The gold ring being a great conductor likely didn’t help the man.

Ahh yes that totally what everyone will think when talking about torturing someone with a car battery. This is like saying tires are dangerous because cars run people over. The guy above was simply informing people that (rightfully) would get the idea that the ran electrodes to his nipples and cooked him like a hot dog. Sure a car battery is dangerous if used dangerously.

Nah I’m gonna keep saying all humans because this has been the norm since the beginning.

We act like we’re not animals but that card is always in the back pocket just waiting for an excuse to pop out.

What do you have against animals?

Source for the razor wire claim? Seems like obvious war time propaganda to me and I can’t find anything online.

You can listen to the intercepted phone call where an alleged Russian soldier describes the methods to his mother for yourself:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/10/russian-torturers-phone-call-with-mum-reveals-russian-torture-methods-16618041/

Over the top descriptions of torture between an alleged soldier and his mother that seem almost scripted, published by the Ukraine military. I’m going to call this a maybe at best.

So when accounts of torture fit with the narrative you like, they are credible, but when they don’t fit with the narrative you like, they are not?

Was the video of castration by Russian military of a detainee also just faked propaganda?

Was the UN report that Russian forces tortured prisoners to death also fake?

It’s not exactly like this phone call goes against a pattern of behavior for Russian forces.

In time of war you’d do best to question news when it’s reported only by one of the sides and not by an independent source. Maybe it’s true, but militaries don’t value truth during war.

I wouldn’t trust the Russian military either

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