Lemdro.id

-5 points

6 months ago

if you are trying to migrate without a job but with an expensive disabillity and little money, then you are just a liabillity to the healthcare system.

And since the country is under no obligation to pay for the care, there is no reason for them to do so

It is just basic resource management, you may not like it, but it is reality

No. Just no. People aren’t numbers on a spreadsheet. That’s some capitalism mind rot.

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stoy@lemmy.zip

14 points

6 months ago

In this case we are numbers on a spreadsheet, we may not like it, but all nations have limited resorces, and need to practice resource management.

This goes for both capitalism and communism.

Anything else would be to deny reality.

However different governments use different metrics to approve or deny new citizens, but all boil down to if it is worth it to the country.

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-12 points

6 months ago

all nations have ~~limited resorces~~ artificial scarcity, and ~~need~~ choose to ~~practice resource management~~ deny resources from those that need them most on behalf of those that already have most

There, fixed it for you.

This goes for both capitalism and communism.

Which everyone knows are the two only economic systems possible 🙄

Anything else would be to deny ~~reality~~ the dominant orthodoxy

Fixed it for you again. You’re really guzzling that “my masters know best” kool-aid.

all boil down to if it is worth it to the country.

The fundamental purpose of governments is to maximize the well-being of the citizens and other inhabitants. When the government’s aims are in conflict with the well-being of the people, the government has failed.

Automatically rejecting people as worthwhile based on putting them in one column or the other on a spreadsheet is a particularly grievous failure.

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stoy@lemmy.zip

9 points

6 months ago

Well you sure do live up to your nickname, being all hippie, but why are you fighting me?

I just explained the reasons why a country would need a medical checkup of anyone moving there.

I am just an IT guy, I don’t set policy.

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-11 points

6 months ago

why are you fighting me

Because you’re not just reporting on the awful status quo. You’re mis-characterizing it as natural and inevitable rather than a serious of choices, often wrong, that we keep letting people with questionable motives make on everyone’s behalf to the benefit of those who already have too much while others suffer from not having enough.

Put another way, you’re framing blind obedience to rules that haven’t served the vast majority of people well as not just a good idea but the ONLY possibility.

You may not set policy, but whether you’re aware of it or not, you’re defending policy that needs attacking.

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letsgo@lemm.ee

3 points

6 months ago

So which non-capitalist country/countries allow disabled and economically inactive people to migrate there for free healthcare?

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-2 points

6 months ago

Can’t name one off the top of my head, but that’s besides the point.

My point isn’t about what IS, it’s about what COULD and SHOULD be.

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6 points

6 months ago

Sigh, the classic extremists trap, in order to be a good guy, you need to keep geeting more and more extreme.

You are basically saying that unless I am actively working toward the same goal you are, then I am a terrible person.

You mention that “when the government’s aims are in conflict with the well-being of the people, the government has failed”, that is litterarly my point!

The government has a duty of spending taxes to provide services for it’s people (citizens and people with approved residency and work permits), a migrant requesting residency and work permits is not yet part of the governments people.

You say that capitalism and communism isn’t the only economic systems, sure but no economic system in the world would be able to generate infinite resources.

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-5 points

6 months ago

Sigh, the classic extremists trap, in order to be a good guy, you need to keep geeting more and more extreme.

Sigh, the classic Centrist trap. In order to defend your reflexive defense of the status quo, you have to pretend that anything else is “extreme” 🙄

You are basically saying that unless I am actively working toward the same goal you are, then I am a terrible person.

I have said nothing of the sort. I’ve merely pointed out that you defend as inevitable that which is unnecessarily enforced. The only one making snap character judgments here is you.

The government has a duty of spending taxes to provide services for it’s people (citizens and people with approved residency and work permits)

True.

a migrant requesting residency and work permits is not yet part of the governments people

Also true, but people with disabilities generally tend to know someone in the country before migrating. People who are deprived by their loved ones being denied entry.

Unless we’re talking refugees, in which case it’s any country’s legal and moral duty to take them in and protect them from whatever they’re fleeing from.

You say that capitalism and communism isn’t the only economic systems, sure but no economic system in the world would be able to generate infinite resources.

Again with the strawmen. You don’t need infinite resources to care for everyone who’s in need. In the case of all but the poorest countries (which are mostly that poor because of being looted by richer countries) you just need to better distribute the ones you already have, rather than throw all the wealth and ownership at the already obscenely rich wealth hoarders.

To want a better deal for the 90% of people who aren’t rich and use resources on those that need them most rather than perpetuating the upwards transfer of wealth inherent to capitalism isn’t communism. It’s just wanting a better world for the vast majority of humanity.

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