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And I can’t legally drive my kids around in one of those, so yeah it’s like they are different trucks for different purposes or something…. I don’t know…. Maybe…?

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In my opinion, it should be illegal to drive any vehicle so tall you can’t see kids in front of you anywhere near a school zone. Unless it’s a fire truck or other service vehicle, for obvious reasons.

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I fucking hate what’s happened to hood shape on modern pickups. You mention firetrucks, but most of those that I’ve seen are cabover and have great visibility.

Just give me an 80’s square body shape and ride height with a modern drive train.

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Someone posted the accidents stats and Canada is way lower than the USA even though buying habits are the same, so trucks aren’t the issue from that perspective.

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It’s funny, kids aren’t getting run down in school zones in other places, we don’t let them run indiscriminately across the road. They’re taught to walk to a a crosswalk to cross the road.

In fact, lots of places ban school buses using flashing red lights inside urban areas since it’s more dangerous, it’s only allowed on rural roads.

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…we don’t let them run indiscriminately across the road. They’re taught to walk to a a crosswalk to cross the road.

Really? You’re actually going to defend this classist, corporate-astroturfing bullshit, the theft of the public street away from the People for the exclusive benefit of irresponsible drivers?

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Believe it or not, some people don’t bother to stop at a crosswalk if they can’t see anyone crossing.

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The other way a giant truck can solve your “driving my kids around” problem is via the massive blind spot in front. If you’re impressed how much you can fit in the back, wait until you see how many tiny little skulls fit between the road and your line of sight.

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I’ve literally never had an issue and I’ve never heard of that being an issue. Do you not look at the road when you’re driving or something?

Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?

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Here you go bud.

https://wlos.com/news/local/consumer-reports-how-bad-blind-spots-suvs-pickup-trucks-large-vehicles-protect-families-tech-required-new-cars-backup-cameras

Latest data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration shows that in 2020 there were over 500 deaths and more than 10,000 “frontover” injuries due to forward-moving vehicles. A frontover injury happens when a vehicle moving forward runs over a person because of not seeing them, usually due to a blind spot.

And a disproportionate number of frontover victims are children, as these accidents mostly take place in driveways and parking lots. According to Kids and Cars, about 81% of victims are 6 years and under.

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https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/stop-frontovers-act-eliminate-dangerous-front-blind-zones-a1009105623/

Further, large trucks and SUVs are involved in more pedestrian accidents (and are more lethal in those accidents) than cars.

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I’ve literally never had an issue and I’ve never heard of that being an issue

Well fuck me dead, that’s a shocking plot twist. The guy who responds to every comment with “spoonfeed me this widely available information” hasn’t heard of something.

Do you not look at the road when you’re driving or something?

It’s basic geometry, which was apparently too much to ask of you. Maybe we should have started at “object permanence” and established that things continue existing, even when your vision of them is blocked.

Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?

Most people probably just assumed you were aware of this extremely common knowledge and that if you weren’t, you were capable of being a big brave boy and typing “pickup truck blind spot” into a search engine by yourself.

But nope, you’d rather accidentally admit that you don’t know basic safety information about your own car.

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Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?

the likelihood of large trucks hitting pedestrians is substantially higher, and the likelihood of those impacts being deadly is even higher than that.

Even ignoring statistics here, basic static analysis of the factors at play would argue that there should be an expected increase in these stats. For one thing you have significantly less immediate LOS meaning it’s not incredibly apparent what is directly in front of you which should make it quite obvious as to why they’re more dangerous, especially at lower speeds. You feel much safer in them due to their size, so you are more likely to be paying less attention or none at all, assuming that other people will notice your massive pavement princess coming down the road.

The front of the vehicle is a literal wall, so the chance that you impact someone, and drag them across the road for a significant distance, or even just run them over outright is significantly higher, because low hoodline vehicles often just throw people up on their hoods, an f150 is significantly less likely to do this, considering how much higher off the ground the hoodline is already, especially when you add in children. It also has considerably more mass, meaning it’s going to impart significantly more energy into a pedestrian, even at low speeds. A lot of these trucks are also lifted and stanced (or as i liked to refer to them “tonked” because they look like tonka trucks) which means if you do impact a pedestrian, you’re likely to stuff them straight into your front suspension and driveline, which is sure to cause all kinds of fun problems.

oops, consumer reports article

looks like nhtsa is even running for these kinds of things

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Fuck yo kids, little shits spoiled by shit parenting.

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