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TL;DR: You don’t get to complain about a lack of regulation when I’m specifically asking for more regulation.

bump stocks do not represent a well regulated militia.

leaving weapons in the hands of people who have red flags is not representative of a well regulated militia.

no uniformity in your ‘militia’, regarding equipment training and supply does not represent a well regulated militia.

Congress does have some regulations governing the militia. They have enacted legislation defining what part of the militia they intend to call forth, and how they intend to do that.

By that logic - there has been no call-up of militia. Therefore anyone attempting to use this defense needs to justify their activities.

I’m not anti-firearm, I’m anti-idiots-having-firearms. I’m prior service army - weapons are tools and without training and regulations tools of any sort can represent a danger to the public. I despise the attitude that justifies bump stocks, especially after they were used in the largest, most deadly mass shooting - Route 91 Harvest music festival, Las Vegas, October 2, 2017: 60 killed, more than 850 injured. It’s not a tool - innocent use would compare it to a toy, malicious use would call it a fire volume multiplier for those that can’t pass a tax stamp and get an actual full auto platform - and it’s disgusting that it’s even up for discussion.

it’s absolutely bonkers that we even need to argue these points.

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By that logic - there has been no call-up of militia.

You don’t get called up to the militia. You get called forth from the militia. In joining the Army, you were, indeed, called forth from the militia and you answered that call. Your right to keep and bear arms was not contingent on there having been a call, nor on you answering a call. The right was guaranteed to you, because you have the individual and collective responsibility to secure the state.

no uniformity in your ‘militia’, regarding equipment training and supply does not represent a well regulated militia.

Don’t tell me. Tell Congress that you want to be subjected to additional regulation in your role as a militiaman. They seem to think that they have enough regulation on the militia already. You tell me what else you think you should be required to do. Not to secure your right to keep and bear arms: they are expressly prohibited from infringing in gun ownership. They can’t stop you from owning a gun, but they can compel you to participate in militia training, as you are a member of the militia.

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it’s all complete bullshit and you know it. there never has been a militia, it’s been a gaggle of fuckwits.

you people and your fantasy life make me sick. want to protect your country? enlist.

jfc goddamn gravy seal garbage

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I did enlist, 24 years ago. The proper epithet for me is “Chairborne Ranger”, not “Gravy Seal”.

I do agree with you: what the constitution refers to as the militia is not the various “gaggles of fuckwits” that regularly claim the title. Those nitwits calling themselves “militia” and dressing up in military surplus are some weird motherfuckers, but they are only “militia” in the same sense that that the local PTA, or an adult, recreational soccer league, or a knitting circle are “militia”. It is their status as members of the citizenry that makes them militia, not their participation in some sort of outdoor paramilitary adventure club.

As you have never learned what “militia” actually means, it is unsurprising that you have never learned the difference between “militia” and “military”.

The militia is charged with providing the security of a free state. The militia may be called forth to enforce law, suppress insurrection, and repel invasion. The military can only perform that last function.

Under the Posse Comitatus act, the military is expressly prohibited from enforcement of law and suppression of insurrection. Those activities may only be performed by the militia. The various people being paid to perform those activities have been “called forth” for that purpose, but one need not be formally “called forth” to act.

A woman walking across a parking lot, clutching the little can of pepper spray on her keychain, is not a “gaggle of fuckwits”.

Her presence deterring would-be criminals from attacking herself or anyone else in the area is an action envisioned by the Second Amendment. She is a militiaman. She is providing the security of a free state.

If the only weapon she chooses to carry is aerosolized taco sauce, she is also in dire need of better training. Congress has been negligent in its duty to effectively train her, or the rest of the general public who comprise the militia.

When we teach her how to use a gun, when to use a gun, when not to use a gun, we also provide that same lesson to the “gaggles of fuckwits” you are referring to, reducing how “fuckwit” they are. We also show her would-be attackers that she is a much harder target, not worth the risk.

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