Even if you think what you would say is obvious, please add. This is genuinely something I think makes sense regarding local bus routes given the longevity of light rail and how infrequently routes change, but I also suffer from confirmation bias, so I’m hoping for reasons this would be a terrible idea but obviously would prefer reasons it would be an even more amazing idea than I thought.

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Buses are awful for long journeys. Trams for longer journeys make sense. You need the buses to get you to the tram stop.

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Pretty much the point of trams are that they’re in populated areas, are in walking distance, and have many stops. They’re local public transport.

In cities they’re equivalent to buses, and in many countries existing trams where replaced by bus routes starting in the 1960s.

If you need longer and faster transport, metro and light rail are the modes to bring people to and around town.

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Have you actually ever seen the tram network in North Rhine and Westphalia, Germany? Also in many places in the world the replacement of trams by buses has been since seen as a mistake and there are plenty of examples of extensive new trams networks introduced and in planning in cities where they got rid of them in 1960s.

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Have you actually ever seen the tram network in North Rhine and Westphalia, Germany?

Yes, thank you, I was born there. What is it you’re trying to tell me?

Also in many places in the world the replacement of trams by buses has been since seen as a mistake and there are plenty of examples of extensive new trams networks introduced and in planning in cities where they got rid of them in 1960s.

Yes, thank you, I live in Berlin, the city where one part decided to trash it’s tram network, replaced it with buses, and is now struggling to get it back.

Still not sure what you’re trying to tell me, where did I say it was a good idea? I said the two modes are comparable.

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Our tram is called the Metro, which is light rail. It connects a small city to a bigger city, and loops around the bigger city. The residential zone along it is enormous, well beyond walking distance. Many people need buses to make use of it.

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My mistake, I meant to type suburban rail (S-Bahn) not light rail.

Anyway, light rail is and extremely loose term and can mean a lot of things, up to a „light metro“, but it’s commonly understood to have exclusive tracks separated from roads. A tram (or streetcar) runs on the street.

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Could a tram do Trafalgar Square to Leyton Bakers Arms? I feel like it would leave a lot of people without public transport options.

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I have no idea why you’re directing this question at me.

London has the tube. It does not need a tram.

Obviously buses are needed to get people to the tram/tube/train stations.

This thread has precisely fuck all to do with London. London has very good public transport already. It’s everywhere else that is expected to do without.

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sorry to make you feel targeted, I just felt your comment warranted a response. Didn’t mean to make you like you have a target on your back. But also, London could improve. It doesn’t need as much as the North, but it could do better.

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If you would demolish all the other options, then it would de facto do just that. But nobody has even suggested the kind of baffoonery.

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It’s literally the title of this post 😵‍💫

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