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We’ve all seen the debate. Biden was already losing in the polls before October 7th. Then the whole rift over Palestime happened, the disastrous debate, Trump getting shot at. It’s a train wreck and Democrats are in denial about their own chances. I want Trump to lose which means I want the Democrats to put up their best candidates and not some frail old guy. That debate should have them panicking. He shouldn’t have run at all. He should have made more work of setting up his successor in the first place.

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Most Democrats aren’t in denial, 2/3rds want him to step down, including congressional leadership. It’s just the Blue MAGA and people whose roles are based on loyalty to Biden specifically that don’t. Unfortunately he’s the one who gets to make the decision.

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Many people have watched the two five second clips and are ignoring his performance over the first term.

You listed the debate twice, I assume once for each clip since all of those arguments are irrelevant.

Biden has been an active and progressive president and despite funny five-second clips, tgere’s every reason to reelect for Biden.

Debates shouldn’t have anyone panicking, debates are clown shows for the masses that have nothing to do with the administration of the presidency.

And it’s insane that you’re talking about polls after the last 8 years.

Biden should be re-elected because of his solid policies on student debt, civil rights, sustainable technology and critical infrastructure

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See the talk he gave to the press after the shooting. It’s like 3 minutes long. It’s undeniable that his cognitive capabilities are on a sharp decline. He’s equally unfit for the presidency as Trump is.

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I’m fine with an old person sounding like an old person as long as the work they do is solid.

Biden is equally mentally old as Trump, which is immaterial to biden being fit for office in this election and obvious from his first term.

Biden has been a great president who enacted consistent progressive policies, while Trump consistently hurt hundreds of millions of people and damaged the US.

Biden is certainly fit to be president again, and Harris can take over during the second term if anything happens.

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I’m a politics junkie, don’t throw me in with the general public. I watched the entire thing. I’ll watch commentary and listen to podcasts about politics at least two hours a day, every day.

But what he’s done is not the point. I’m talking about his chances in November and they are not hopeful.

The debate was a disaster not because he fumbled his words a bit. It is because for years Trump has been calling Biden this weak old senile man, Sleepy Joe, etcetera, and everyone on the Democratic side was able to pass it off as Trump exaggeration and trolling.

But in the debate, suddenly there was no denying it. Biden is losing it. Now those Trump jabs actually hurt because we know there’s a truth to it. The whole world watched as Biden was asked a question on abortion (which should be central in his campaign, a sure winner after Roe v Wade was killed) and shot himself in the foot turning it into a story about illegal immigrants coming in and raping young women.

How do you fuck up like that. And how do you recover. I don’t want Biden to give it his best shot, I want him to halt this slide into fascism and he’s failing at it

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“what he’s done is not the point”

Yes, it is the point. The very fact you don’t understand that is the problem

Biden is an old man and fumbled his words, it has no bearing on the legislation he’s produced during his first term at a rapid pace for progressive policies.

His consistently progressive presidential policies and tangible results are what matters

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