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Why are we allies with Israel again?

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Because a death cult runs our political system in the US.

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It’s rather weird that a Christian cult would spend so much on people who are, according to that cult, pariahs.

I don’t think support of Israel is that much connected to Christianity. It’s rather that when you have Israel, supporting it is a huge reputational counterweight to any fascist action you take.

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It’s 100% wrapped up in Christianity. It’s all part of their apocalypse fantasy.

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Pariahs who need to have their own state for armageddon to happen. Remember that these are the same mental giants who invented the prosperity gospel. Not a cult so much as the entirety of southern baptism.

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> when you don’t read to the end of the bible so you don’t know why the US really wants Israel to exist

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Israel has a huge intelliegence network that the US help them build by giving them billions of dollars.

The US relations with that area is already really poor. Pulling support of Israel will bring the US back decades of relationship building, billions of dollars invested, and losing the location. The location is important because Israel is in the center, near water, and isn’t an island.

Morally, being allies with Israel is not good, logically it makes sense.

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Sounds a lot like sunken cost fallacy. We might be better off making other allies.

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The president role is 7 years. Knesset seat is 4 years. Would you give up decades of relationship building for one presidential term?

Also how often would you switch allies if they commit genocide defined by the Genocide Convention?

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It being that important, surely somebody in the US government and intelligence have thought that they might not be abusing only that importance for funds, but the ties themselves for influence. In the sense of spying at the US, corruption and such.

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They could very well be doing those things. Israel is a technology powerhouse now. Being allies allows more political accountability.

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After WW2 everyone felt really bad. And it was a west-leaning country in a region full of oil and big trade routes.

Most of the calculus has slowly changed over the years. The Congressionally-passed treaties all still remain though.

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And it was a west-leaning country in a region full of oil and big trade routes.

Other way around - their loyalties weren’t firmly lodged with either of the superpowers, so the US in the 70s and 80s put a lot of time and effort into wooing them.

Their loyalties still aren’t lodged with anyone, but we keep sucking them off anyway.

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Their loyalties still aren’t lodged with anyone, but we keep sucking them off anyway.

Well, I shit at Israel every day, but they would be nuts to “lodge their loyalties” when that means loss of such leverage.

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It seems people forgot USS Liberty

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And why do we think they need more weapons to “defend” themselves if they’re threatening to obliterate multiple other countries?

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If you take a country “back to the stone age” it absolutely requires attacks on civilian infrastructure.

So any country that respects international law and human life could not in good conscience give them weapons or support to do this.

Gosh I wonder what Biden will do…

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He can’t hear you he’s too busy sending them more weapons and support.

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Don’t forget—this is a nuke threat. Israel has nukes.

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At this point I don’t know which country is more ridiculous, Israel or North Korea. They’re basically the same, a tiny pariah state barking loud at anyone that looks at them while getting support from a rich neighbor.

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Except one has backing and funding by a large portion of the western world.

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They’re the same country but ones wrapepd in religous propaganda and backed but the US and the others wrapped in Leftist propaganda and tolerated by the Chinese.

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What? If anything, Israel is the one wrapped in progressive propaganda.

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Leftist and progressive is different. Unless I missed the part where Israel claims it’s buisnesses are owned in common by the people through the government.

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This quote could’ve been passed as from Putin and would be believable. Astonishing that people still don’t notice the parallels.

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