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not to criticize proton’s product, but trying to act like you’re doing something special by buying audits when that’s what any recognized and reputable VPN brand does makes you look like noobs

talk about your servers, speed, support, etc-- that’s what sets you apart from competitors

edit: lol wouldn’t have pegged this crowd for a sensitive bunch. my mistake, carry on trumpeting your audits lol

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I think a good sense of criticism is always good. And I don’t like loyalty, ever. But, no matter where you go, there will be a rule of thumb that people will blindly follow. None of this will make me likable though because of the lack of trust I show them with everything.

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rule of thumb that people will blindly follow.

i’m over 40 and am still confounded by this. brand loyalty always struck me as the dumbest possible behavior from people whose only value to the brand is in their wallet. i guess it’s easy to believe the company really truly cares about you when that’s what they pretend to do

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You guys are sniffing your own farts so hard you forgot that it sounds stupid when you say a company is pretending when they paid for a 3rd party to verify them with cold hard cash.

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There are very few of us, and it’s probably a DNA/brain wiring thing. Kinda like me looking at republican as if they are aliens because they can watch trump and think what he’s saying is good, and totally not like a dictator such as hitler.

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You’re getting downvoted because you’re conflating contrarianism with critical thinking, and people have already pointed out your mistaken logic.

It has nothing to do with brand loyalty. You’re just falling into the other side of the “herd mentality” coin.

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5 points

Totally. Whenever I find a product I like, I always abandon it as soon as I can.

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Soooo I don’t use a VPN. I know quite a bit about computers and technology in general, security in this sense just hasn’t been as important to me until recent years. Them having no logs is important to me, just as the other metrics have their own levels of importance. Moreover, just because you’re only capable of a single bland line of thought at a time doesn’t mean others can’t express several, more complex forms of thought at once…such as talking about everything you mentioned, and more.

To me, a consumer they are targeting, this is important. The more I hear about things like this from them, the more I am legitimately considering utilizing their services.

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22 points

No logs >>> fastest product

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15 points

Honestly I find I retain 90 to 95% of my speed with proton

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I need to make the switch, I’ve just been complacent. My statement also wasn’t a knock on Proton’s speed, as I have no idea how it performs, I just wanted to point out that no logging is more important than performance, if there needed to be a sacrifice.

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If they didn’t publish these people would be going “there are no public audits we can’t trust them.“ I don’t even understand the complaint here. We’re now complaining about transparency?

Edit: if they talked about their speeds and other benefits then everyone would be going “this is just an unrelated advertisement riding on the back an audit“

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They don’t act special, they act in an open and respectful manner towards their customers.

what any recognized and reputable VPN brand does

And what makes a VPN brand recognizable and reputable if nobody knows that they passed the audit?

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12 points

If you go to the main news on their site, the very next article talks about their 5000+ servers.

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61 points

talk about your servers, speed, support, etc-- that’s what sets you apart from competitors

All of that can easily be judged by any customers. The no-logging part can’t be checked by regular customers

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Also that’s what their ads are for… And their website… And every other published piece about them. Why on earth would they put that here?

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edit: lol wouldn’t have pegged this crowd for a sensitive bunch. my mistake, carry on trumpeting your audits lol

This isn’t about ‘trumpeting audits’ or ‘being sensitive’ or brand loyalty or whatever. Your comment just comes across as either wilfully ignorant, or contrarian. Audits and sharing those audits like this are essential for transparancy and building trustworthiness, especially when it comes to security and privacy. If a VPN would say ‘no logs’ but never proves it with transparent audits, they’re untrustworthy. Simple as that. This serves as proof they don’t log.

I don’t see Proton acting special here. Just a report and why it’s important. And they do share all the other stuff you’ve mentioned, so I’m not sure why you seem to ignore that.

Sidenote, if it matters: while I am a Proton customer, I don’t use ProtonVPN

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Comes back to edit, but doesn’t address any of the comments. 😔

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24 points

Lol what? The most “well known” get that way thru insane advertising campaigns not because their products are any better or more secure than say mullvad or, in this case, proton.

If I’m getting more / less the same performance between the more reputable companies I’m going to chose the few that have these types of audits.

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9 points

“Trust me bro, I ain’t keeping logs.”

Vs

“You don’t need to trust us, we don’t want you to trust us when we say ‘we don’t keep logs’. We have an unbiased and unconflicted third-party audit our service every year. You can review their findings for yourself here.”

Trust me, bro.

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3 points

They have tons of servers worldwide for varying use cases, the speed is great, and I’ve never had to contact support.

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19 points

If your criticism is devoid of logic. Hence the downvotes.

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16 points

talk about your servers, speed, support, etc

But… they do that too.

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7 points

How would you like a company to prove that their claims have substance? Just curious. Audits are just a way to do this. Imperfect, perhaps, but one of the few available.

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9 points

Now with AI!

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8 points

That announcement was the biggest eye-roller all week.

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104 points

Good, thats what people pay them for.

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46 points

Well if it wasn’t Id cancel the subscription.

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18 points

Same. I don’t even use it for torrenting. Been using it more and more just for simply browsing the web.

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8 points

Proton’s great for torrenting since they support port forwarding for their paid tiers.

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7 points

Yeah, I switched to them after mullvad (i I also tried airvpn before Proton) and it works great.

One extremely annoying thing with Proton VPN is that the port changes after every single (re)connection so you need to reconfigure your torrent client.

Fortunately there is a fork of the VPN client I use which automatically configures qbittorrent with the new port.

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Oh do they now …? How much are they? My PIA will be expiring next year and I’m not liking for they’re shying away from port forwarding (especially on the android tv app)

I feel like they’re going to pu$$y out and pull a Mullvad soon.

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Just a note to add, this is just the re-confirmation of this year, the two previous years they have had no-logs policy audits as well :)

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