Vermine Supreme 2024! I want my pony!
What I am scared of: there is no legal ground to stop a harris ticket, and the Supreme Court has a history of decisions without legal ground helping the gop
The convention hasn’t even happened yet, nothing officially has made Biden the candidate for the Democrats, the system is built that even if he won the nomination in the primaries, the electors at convention still pick the candidate. While abnormal for modern times, it follows the system originally designed. The courts can force a candidate on or off the ballot ahead of their actual nomination.
I believe the legal ground is that several states have cutoff dates before the Democratic Convention. Usually everyone says “oops” and deals with it like adults, but there’s room for shenanigans
What are the cutoff days and have they been violated?
Edit: A quick Internet search has showed that this isn’t a thing.
This seems to be a good informal source with all the deadlines and what they are for:
https://ballotpedia.org/State_laws_and_party_rules_on_replacing_a_presidential_nominee,_2024
Democratic primary is Aug 19-22
From your article
Nearly half of the states have a deadline in August, and most require certification or identification of a candidate to fill a vacancy no later than September 6. Replacing a candidate’s name on the ballot in September, therefore, becomes increasingly difficult as many states will have already printed ballots or begun to allow voters to cast ballots.
Combine that with some Republicans vowing retribution when the convicted felon was removed from the ballot by a state or two, and you have something for them to try.
At least three states – Washington, Ohio and Alabama – have given notice that the Democratic National Convention will occur too late for state legal deadlines for filing the appropriate paperwork to appear on the presidential ballot.
So how many votes do you think biden will STILL get?
Republicans will pull some shenanigans in at least one state to keep Biden on the ballot. My bet is Ohio. So, a non trivial amount.
to keep Biden on the ballot.
I think this should be “to put Biden on the ballot.” He is not currently the one the ballot, as he is not the Democratic nominee — the nominee is chosen at the party’s convention, which hasn’t happened yet for the Dems.
You’re absolutely correct. I was under the assumption that states pre printed ballots based on the presumptive nominees. Apparently states that do that are being naughty/cutting corners.
He’s not even on the ballot in Ohio. A candidate hasn’t been chosen, so if they resort to any fuckery there it could be an attempt to keep the Democrats from having a candidate on the ballot at all.
Yup. That’s exactly what they tried already
They’ll be violating several of their own state laws, and federal law if they do so. I know it’s easy to go with the “but Trump gets away with everything” - reality is our elections to date have been free and fair and there’s no indication that’s going to change. The folks that own the elections by and large actually care about democracy. His fake electors scheme failed for a reason, and it wasn’t just dumb luck.
The convention hasn’t even happened yet, Biden wasn’t officially the nominee. Ballots wouldn’t have been printed yet even if this was a lock.
How could he even have been on any ballots yet when he hadn’t even been officially nominated?
Technically afaik the election institutions don’t care about parties, they care about the individual running. Remember the whole system was set up with the idea/hope that parties don’t exist.
Well that was then. Presently if you’re not the nominee from a party which received a minimum threshold of votes in the preceding election you have to get a bunch of signatures from the voters to be put on the ballot. So since the Democratic party has.met the threshold of votes in prior elections in all states their nominee will be on the ballots but they haven’t nominated anyone yet.
Sounds like the legal mechanism is that you need a certain threshold of support to be put on the ballot, but they carved out niche to just accept the nominee from the 2 parties with the understanding they would obviously meet the threshold of support.
That’s sort of the point - this hesitancy was all bullshit.
The fact that the convention is so late does mean we’ll have to really scramble after it, though (and the convention is so late because of Biden’s specific request).
The UK had an entire vote in just 6 weeks.
Our information apparatus (print, TV, social media, etc al) is … Far superior to theirs, in terms of efficiency (not in terms of human dignity, relax, I am aware).
I feel like folks are forgetting just how addicted to information we all are, and how easy it is to get the whole fucking country talking about the same thing at the same time.
Trust me, the advertising budget for Squid Games ain’t shit next to the DNC war chest.
To be blunt, American election seasons are completely asinine.
As an American myself, having election seasons that essentially last somewhere between 7 months and 3 years is absolutely sanity destroying. It’s completely awful and I hate it passionately. It obviously also has a strong negative influence on our more responsible politicians actually, you know, trying to do their jobs in a meaningful sense. It’s all because it’s a super profitable exercise for a LOT of people. I’d be simply ecstatic if we had a system closer to France or the UK in that regard (and don’t get me started on the clusterfuck that is the electoral college).
In theory the FEC could address this by limiting the advertising season and going after candidates or news outlets that violate that limitation.
In actuality, the media makes far too much money turning it into a horse race.
There are states that require candidates to register by a date that is often before the nominating conventions. Those states have always passed one-time exceptions when that occurs. If they choose not to in this case, using the last minute change as political cover, it could be a legal grey area, and who knows how it would play out with today’s judicial system.
On the other hand, those are red states that a Democrat wouldn’t win anyways.