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I think this is as strong as could reasonably be expected from Harris. It’s also brilliant politically. People who wouldn’t have voted for Biden because of Palestine may be willing to go with Harris.

In addition to age, this makes two of Biden’s biggest drawbacks crushed in one week. I like it.

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45 points

I’m feeling… dare i say… enfranchised?

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16 points

Yeah same…like there can’t possibly be so much good news at once. I’m not used to this feeling.

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4 points

I don’t expect it to last, but I’m happy to have it while it’s here 🙂

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11 points

Or is it just franchised?

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10 points

Do we get to open a chain of ourselves across the nation now?

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2 points

Undisenfranchised.

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35 points

Dems actually executed a plan shockingly well. Get the Republican anti-Biden propaganda machine to load up on specific issues, then swap Biden with someone that doesn’t have those issues. Now that the populace has been agitated on those issues, point out that Trump is the candidate who is old and fucks with Palestine. Classic bait and switch. Trump fell for the trap.

Kamala isn’t perfect, but she seems to be running on prosecuting and cleaning up the Trump crime spree. I can get behind that. A relief to see the dems pull something like this off. Acting like they were completely blowing it was just so believable. Biden’s debate performance really sold it.

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I am at least 90% sure it wasn’t an act. They actually were just blowing it. You have to recognize Biden is the head of the party currently, even still as Harris is taking over. He spent his entire life gaining power. He didn’t want to give it up. He just had enough people around him tell him he wasn’t going to keep power no matter what and was just going to fuck over the party that he eventually listened. This wasn’t some genius play by the Democrats, rather just the Republicans fucking up in their strategy assuming Biden was the only possible opponent.

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He spent his entire life gaining power. He didn’t want to give it up.

I’ve always been mystified by people that old wanting to cling to power. I’m a generation younger than Biden and I mainly just want a nap.

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True, but the playing field surely influenced the decision of Biden to drop out at this point. This was a great move by him. His debate performance, intentionally bad or not, set this up. He stayed in through the joke of a primary to avoid divisiveness and in-fighting. He didn’t prepare for the debate because he’s too old to both campaign and govern properly. Unity in the party intact, and all Republican attacks focused on Joe The Man, Joe was easily pulled out from in front of the charging media machine with unity and the party intact to regroup against the overcommitted enemy.

The replacement, hand picked by Biden 4 years ago, is a prosecutor ready to carry out the American Dream of locking up the “bad guys”. Most of the country agrees that there is a major corruption issue in our government. I hope Kamala has a clear plan for fixing it that goes beyond the standard punishment fetish of the criminal justice system of which she was an agent. To get systemic change, we need to change the system. I want to hear what upgrades she has in mind. We need a more sophisticated system of checks and balances.

The stories of giving up power for the good of all is a solid subset of the good impacts this country has had in the world. We haven’t always done it. We have done and are doing a lot of bad in the world. But when we do good, the story of giving up or sharing power is an American classic.

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I’m not even sure the debate was a performance. I thought they really were completely blowing it, but just recovered incredibly well. I never even considered your idea of an unusually organized Democratic Party! Organization is not something they’re typically known for.

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7 points

He answered the Roe V Wade question by talking about migrant crime, and handed Trump an easy response/diversion on his hardest question. Total flag maneuver. He threw the debate and hammed it up. Let Trump’s head get big and let the Republicans overcommit and overspend against the straw man before saying psyche.

A subversion of the “democratic” primary process, perhaps, but those have been a joke the past few cycles anyway. Not to mention “Superdelegates”. We need a constitutionally protected primarying and election process that isn’t run by the largest parties. I hope that it gets included in Kamala’s electoral reform package. Europe can hold snap elections, why can’t we? Europe has a sane system of parties that form alliances instead of an artificial binary choice. We need to upgrade our democracy to the 20th century advancements that we promoted elsewhere, and add further 21st century enhancements like ranked choice voting.

I am not saying it was orchestrated as much as navigated well.

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BlueAnon conspiracy theory.

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78 points

Yooooooooo I am just so wrong this year and I’m all about it! Her AIPAC overseers won’t be happy about that

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Here’s a clip of her speech…

VP: “What has happened in Gaza over the past nine months is devastating. The images of dead children and desperate hungry people fleeing for safety sometimes displaced for the second, third, or fourth time. We cannot look away in the face of these tragedies”

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1816600997873197308

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8 points

That passive voice is doing some heavy lifting.

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49 points

This will greatly confuse the tankies.

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4 points

Did you read her statement about the protestors?

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Omg not a statement. My God, the world is OVER!

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I mean it pretty much contradicts her statement about not being silent. The protestors are not being silent, and she condemns them more harshly than the genocide they protest. Also, she has been conspicuously silent thus far as her administration acts in full support of the genocide.

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3 points

The ebil tankie wankies of course…

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Sorry if my meany-bo-beany comment made you retort and reply

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How? First off, Harris isn’t Biden. No one is confused by this, but maybe you are because you think Harris must have the exact same stances and opinions as Biden. Second, it wasn’t just “tankies” who were upset at Biden’s enthusiastic support for genocide. Anyone with any shred of decency is against genocide. Finally, people like you claimed that Biden was our best chance to beat Trump and insisted that we all had to throw our support behind him because Trump is worse and that anyone criticizing Biden for supporting genocide is a tankie. Turns out that him dropping out to make way for a better candidate actually works and many Americans are excited that we don’t have to support such a garbage candidate just because the other side has a worse candidate. The positive reaction to Biden dropping out was immediate and clear.

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enthusiastic support

Are you fucking high?

Actually; how fucking high are you?

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Biden was sending weapons and billions of dollars to israel while faking support to Palestinians (the shitty pier which didn’t help much or last long was the biggest sign) in an attempt to contain backlash just so he could keep sending the weapons and billions of dollars to israel. Noticing something so obvious doesn’t make me high, it just means I have a brain.

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And if it weren’t for those ‘tankies’, you’d still have your genocidal baby murdering loser on the ticket.

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Yeah that’s why he dropped out. The tankies lol

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12 points

They really doing gods work out here in the comments section, really making a difference

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Damn I was wondering when the person against Biden dropping out who I talked to bit ago went. You’re certainly still convinced Biden was the choice right?

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Considering anyone who criticized Biden was labeled as a “tankie,” I’d say the tankies at the NYT and CNN probably played a role in it, yes.

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genocidal baby murderer on the ticket

My guy, trump is still running LMAO

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You actually think Biden dropped out because of opposition from Stalinists and Leninists?

Once again, horseshoe theory prevails. Both the far left and the far right think that Biden answers to communists.

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No, that’s just a plain-out exceptionally right wing American-brain dead theory, the same it would be if you replaced “Biden” with “Trump” in that text, for Communists, especially outside the West…

Of what illusion were their stances not antithetical to each other, in foreign policy especially?

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“tankies on lemmy made biden drop out” is surely the hottest take of the year

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Well its about fucking time. Reuters/ Ipsos results will be in next week.

Lets see if MI/ WI get back on the table and if MN is still a toss up. Its good strong rhetoric but the US has been on the wrong side of this issue for 9 months. One speech doesn’t change that and there is damage to be fixed, but its always a first step. We froze Russian assets to fund the rebuilding of Ukraine. Should we freeze Israelli assets to pay for the rebuilding of Gaza? Lets hear some policy proposals.

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Lets hear some policy proposals.

Here’s one simple trick that Harris can do on Day 1: Support the full inclusion of Palestine as a member at the United Nations.

(It’s possible that the UK or France might veto, but the US has generally been the obstacle to full recognition of Palestine at the UN.)

Once Palestine has international recognition as a state, it can start to benefit from international law, like the Geneva Convention.

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Man if we could close the gap in Georgia or North Carolina that would be great. We’d have a much higher chance then.

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I’m way, way, way less worried about those states than I am MI, and WI.

MI and WI should lnt even be competitive for Trump. The speech was a good start, we’re gonna need actual action to bring Muslim voters back into the fold.

The black community has rallied around Harris in a way not seen since 2008. I’ve got too much day job work rn, but my first pass on some data says “fuck it, shoot for Florida too”. Obama won Florida twice and Trump really only won it in the margins.

But without WI and MI, it’s all for naught.

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There’s not much policy action she could take. Other than the words, she’s probably going to meet with community leaders, but there’s really not much more she can do on that front.

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Good to see. Maybe we can all regroup and get behind her now so that we can keep America from becoming a fascist nightmare.

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Yep. I said my main objection was the genocide, and - shockingly - I’m actually not a Russian bot and my vote can be won by better policy positions.

If she supports ranked choice voting, I’ll go door to door for her.

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