FYI, for all of those shitting on Christians for “not being educated” and upvoting this, the last supper was painted in 1498, the feast of the gods was painted in 1635. Lol
The last supper has been painted many times. At least 1000 years before Leonardo’s version.
The festival of Dionysus occurred 500 years before Jesus with depictions much older than the last supper.
edit: ppl gettin’ mad over their sky wizard…
Maybe that’s the case, you don’t really back it up. But I’m just going off the paintings called out by Christians and the people claiming what it was actually inspired by.
But even if you’re right, it doesn’t change the fact that the OP and creator of this meme, and everyone thinking it makes a good point, are all guilty of the same ignorance they are laughing at someone else for having.
I don’t think it counts as stealing- syncretism is present in virtually every faith that has contact with another faith, modern and ancient.
the abandoment is sorta wierd though. so xmass and easter but no celebration of the feast of booths or passover
Not religious any more, but got to do Passover dinner (Seder?) once in a messianic Jewish church as a kid. It was neat. Learned I like lamb and the bitter herbs were actually kind of good.
Eating babies is disgusting. There are Christian cults that practice baby eating rituals??
I’m Jewish. It’s a cool holiday in terms of ceremony, but you have to remember that it celebrates death. A lot of death. Especially child death. You even pour 10 drops of wine from the cup do represent the blood of the 10 plagues.
I’m proud of my heritage, but the religion is all manner of fucked up.
But I do not like this scene either.
This meme is just confused. The Feast of the Gods motif would be familiar to da Vinci and whether it was deliberately referenced or perhaps just a visual convention of how to portray a feast, and who influenced who are questions best asked to an art historian specialized on the time period. But ultimately it doesn’t really matter - da Vinci’s The Last Supper is one of the most iconic images in history and it’s not strange that people watching makes the connection, I certainly did even if I also got the reference to Les Festin des Dieux. Of course the idea that the ceremony mocks Jesus or whatever is a hysterical reaction, but that’s American evangelicals for you.
Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical. The Last Supper is a painting, Leonardo is not the christian church. Leonardo was active during the high renaissance, a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe. References to pagan rome and greece was à la mode in art.
You’d almost think this was a meme community and not concerned with things like historical accuracy in favor of amusing people, wouldn’t you?
That’s a pretty poor excuse since the meme makes a statement presented as factual that falls apart upon scrutiny. Without this connection, the meme is nothing.
Secondly, the meme isn’t actually funny, it just validates the previously held beliefs of this community. There is no joke, just a poorly argued “gotcha”. Validation feels good, but it’s not actually humor even if the two is often confused.
It doesn’t fall apart on scrutiny you’re just too dense to understand it’s not about dates of paintings and Christianity is largely based on other religions beliefs that christianity literally appropriated.
Jesus wasn’t the first to walk on water or turn water into wine and he sure as hell wasn’t born in December.
Fine. The meme isn’t accurate to reality. What’s the meme trying to say then? Isn’t it only funny because “haha dumb Christians”? Doesn’t ignoring the actual facts lump us just as much in the ignorant group?
If it’s just a funny meme, and its accuracy isn’t what matters, then fine. But also, fine to the guy who is correcting the facts. They’re either both cool or neither cool.
Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical.
a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe
It’s not like the Christian appropriation of non-christian things just ended sometime before the high renaissance. I’d argue it’s ongoing. And even if Leonardo did not appropriate, the Christians now reacting with fury to the depiction of “their” last supper are appropriating.
It’s not like the Christian appropriation of non-christian things just ended sometime before the high renaissance.
By that time, there were next to zero pagans left in western europe to appropriate from. The appropriation of pagan holidays and themes was mostly motivated by easing the conversion to christianity, so yes, it wasn’t really a thing after the conversion was complete. Local traditions and syncretism (saint worship etc) living on was mostly discouraged by the church so there is no appropriation argument to be made there either really.(The rest of the world is another issue; we’re talking pagan here, which specifically refers to european polytheistic traditions.)
I’d argue it’s ongoing.
Well, go ahead and argue. Isn’t the tendency of modern evangelicals rather to be scared out of their minds by any suggestion of heathendom, basically equating it to satanism? Jehovahs Witnesses for instance does not celebrate christmas for this very reason?
And even if Leonardo did not appropriate, the Christians now reacting with fury to the depiction of “their” last supper are appropriating.
Jan van Bijlert who painted Les Festin des Dieux was a christian… His depiction of Roman gods and entities are probably as accurate as The lion at Gripsholm Castle is to a real lion. And again, at the time there were no Roman Pagans alive to appropriate from, just as there are none today. You make no sense.
There are no pagans alive today?
Wew lad. Ignorant AF.
Also why are you specifying only roman pagan? That’s completely non sensical.
It is blatantly obvious that a vast majority of the miracles and practices of Jesus was directly stolen from various pagan religions.
Christmas trees, stockings, winter solstice celebrations…hel even the days of the week are stolen from various pagan religions.
You’re simply wrong in so many ways with your post it’s funny Christians are so sensitive.
It was all based on divine shapes and tapestries etched by early mathematicians to represent what they thought were powerful concepts, especially “moral” ones, that they thought could shape people’s behaviour.
People like Pythagoras could go insane worshipping these shapes, even though they had useful mathematical properties that could predict things about what the real world was like. They weren’t totally stupid, and maths without technology wasn’t extra hard.
Scholars like Jesus would go around spreading ideas about how perfect the triangle was. It contained three simple connected points that were very similar. Specifically, it had a C3 rotation in mathematical group theory. If you spin it by 120 degrees, it’s the same afterwards. It contained three equally important geometric points that could never be transformed or “manipulated” so you could easily tell them apart. This was His Trinity.
Shapes like this are actually very important and have special properties in quantum dynamics nowadays, so their beliefs still hold a lot of power in many very logical people and how they think the world works based on science.
There were also more complicated systems popular in the past, too, that built up other forms of mathematics. Astrology was a good example too. They actually had very complicated systems for predicting lots of things based on measurements of time. If the data you had generally fit what usually happened (at least most of the time), you could be quite confident in those beliefs without being totally moronic.
I actually think some of these more mathematical beliefs may see a resurgence in the near future as proper quantum technologies are developed. People could fear them as they disrupt beliefs about technology, even those that only know a limited subset of modern physical laws (like Newton’s laws, which are very accurate, but not universally “true” by modern scientific standards).
Most people don’t realise how much technology is about to change. It’s already happening and it’s scary.
I only believe in the Orb shape described by mathematical fractals and quantum mechanics.
I legitimately cannot tell if this is a shitpost or sincere crazy ramblings. Well done either way 👏
It’s a logically plausible idea that I and many others before me invented to explain certain things in a way that tries to be internally, logically consistent in any way it can be. An Orb is a very versatile type of “magic” computer technology that may advance the world in the future but can also exist in any well-studied scholar’s mind alone.
https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=bAIbvlobWDM
Ramblings, it’s like the geometry version of numerology or idealism. You’ll notice both groups will reference quantum scale science like qed or qft but never actually use any equations that describe events in reality to back up their claims because they don’t want to have to appeal to reality for their delusional beliefs.
