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“During the sentencing, US district judge Timothy Kelly, who was nominated to the bench by Trump, said the evidence suggested Tarrio was “the ultimate leader” of the seditious conspiracy, “the ultimate person, who organized, who was motivated by revolutionary zeal”.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/sep/05/proud-boys-jan-6-biden-trump-trials-senate-politics-live-updates

I can think of someone else, Judge Kelly. The tangerine nightmare that appointed you.

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84 points

Ugh, right? Really sounds like they set up Tarrio to take the fall for Trump. Fuck that.

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46 points

That’s the picture they’re painting, but unfortunately for them nobody’s buying it.

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8 points

Unfortunately for us, someone probably will buy it. Somehow, there are millions of people who legitimately think Trump is the freaking Messiah.

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16 points

Tangerine Nightmare. nice

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Welcome to jaaaaazz club.

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Nah, there’s a difference between encouraging and actively planning.

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Funny that you get downvoted like that. Trump wasn’t posting on the Proud Boy’s page to plan the attack, he’s the match that set the gas on fire, he’s not the guy who spread gas all over the living room… He always has the possibility to deny everything and say he didn’t expect them to be dumb enough to actually attack the place because that would be sedition/treason and only an irrational idiot would do that! Where’s this guy organized stuff and put his plan to execution… He’s the irrational idiot…

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Trump and the people in Trump’s immediate orbit were in direct or very close indirect contact with all of these groups. They knew exactly what was going to happen. In addition to the normal nutty Trump crowds they reached out to these psycho fascist militias and told them to be there to “fight like hell”. People like the Proud Boys know exactly what an invitation and rhetoric like that mean. This was not a rally that got out of hand. This was all planned out and coordinated with other schemes like the false elector scheme and the Georgia phone call. This was deliberate and planned. Trump is an idiot but he knew what he was doing. This has all been documented in the impeachment hearings, the Congressional Jan 6 investigations, and the recent indictments.

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It’s good that he’s going away for 22 years. However, the sentencing guidelines called for between 324 to 405 months (27-33 years) so by the Judge’s own calculations this is a miscarriage of justice and yet another right wing domestic terrorist is being handled with kid gloves. Fucking disgraceful.

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He was an informant right? Distasteful as it is, informing has to be publicly seen as providing a tangible benefit, or future criminals wont talk

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Sentences can include upward and downward departures from the guidelines based on the circumstances of the case. It’s also important to remember that the guidelines are non-binding on judges.

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So it’s like the guidelines are just guidelines?

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I was responding more to the “judge’s own calculations” part.

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2 decades is 2 decades. And, it’s not like when he gets released he’ll be hailed as a hero. Trump will be dead, most of his supporters will probably be dead of old age or COVID. The rest will be too embarrassed that they voted for him to admit it.

When he gets out he’ll be 60. Having spent decades in prison, he won’t be able to retire, and will probably live out the rest of his life working menial jobs that hire ex-felons until he dies in obscurity.

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What’s even better is him thinking he’s not going to be in prison long because Trump is going to win the next election and pardon him. My brother, there’s a greater chance of Trump becoming your cell mate.

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Yeah… Even if Trump wins there’s no way he remembers or cares about anyone involved in Jan 6.

These guys are way more screwed than they realize.

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Trump is a narcissist who cares about image and the cheers of crowds. If pardoning J6 traitors gets him that, he will do it.

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I agree with you, but I don’t believe there’s going to be any sort of crowd clamoring for J6 rioters to be pardoned. The issue is early on, a LOT of right wing media decided that J6 was a false flag. There’s just not going to be many people beyond family members of J6 rioters that want them pardoned.

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It’s true he doesn’t give a damn about these people but they’re useful for his scam. He’s already said he’ll pardon people and will continue to say it because it suits the narrative he’s pushing and what his base wants to hear.

The problem is he is toxic and will only get more so as his legal issues turn into jail time so it’s unlikely he’ll win election. If he were smart he’d drop out and secure a pardon from a more electable GOP nominee in return for endorsement. But he won’t. So it seems that these proud boy / oathkeeper idiots are likely to be spending a long time behind bars.

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I bet Trump thinks about them a bit. Every day Trump isn’t in the White House he is reminded that they are failures. Zero surprise if they never get parole if Trump makes the WH.

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Unfortunately, it could happen.

Most of the country is dealing with a 30% to 50% cost of living increase, and they’re going to blame Biden for it. Trump got elected the first time because 6,000,000 were foreclosed upon when Obama was president.

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It’s possible, but as much as people are exhausted with Biden, nothing would get blue to turn out to vote like another chance of Trump. Blue would vote for a tent full of mosquitoes if it meant voting against Trump. Trump supporters have gotten more fanatical, not more numerous. Some of my own family members are currently in orange pill recovery. Not to mention all the Reds that died of COVID denial. Then you factor in young people now eligible to vote skewing blue. The only person I think Trump could beat honestly would be Hillary. Red would show up to vote against her if not for Trump.

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That was the argument people made for Hillary’s certain victory on Election Day, that the notion of Trump being elected would mean a huge Democratic turnout.

Thing is, people aren’t going to give a shit who the candidate of change is when they can’t afford their grocery bills, and Trump isn’t going to have to lie about how little Biden has done to alleviate people’s poverty.

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I would vote for a bathtub full of scorpions and vipers before I vote for Trump

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While I agree with most of that, I thought it was shown recently that younger people are skewing right. Internet propaganda has been super effective lately it seems :/

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that’s maybe part of the reason Trump got elected but that’s not the main reason by a long shot

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That would be the ultimate punishment for both of them. They have to deal with each other for the next 22 years.

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64 points

Couldn’t have happened to a prouder boy

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Federal informant, and still get 22 years?? Congrats on playing yourself, Ricky!

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That’s a long time to fester in a place where they love rats.

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My understanding was that the informant bit didn’t really help him out because he stopped being an informant and then the January 6th riots happened.

So he’d stopped supplying them with information before he then committed treason. So it isn’t as if they just weren’t appreciative of the information supplied, the information supplied had nothing to do with why he was arrested.

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Interesting. I thought that he had got himself arrested on minor charges before the 6th, to have an excuse not to be there. I assumed that was encouraged by the FBI. Sounds like he was hedging his bets, and lost it all anyway. Either way, I’m laughing at him!

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