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We should’ve banned plastic bags sooner…

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We should have banned a lot more then bags.

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10 points

Corporate profits, primarily

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and plastic straws too!

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1 point

Humans. Not some humans, all humans

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35 points

It’s almost like we were tricked into thinking we did this, while billionaires and corporations continue to fuck the earth

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Conductor vs. orchestra, conductor may be giving them rhythm and directions, but they still decide to follow them.

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7 points

wrong. they decided what choices we have.

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Easily disprovable - if there’s a revolution against them, who does it come from? Whose choice would that be? Also theirs?

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10 points

Recycled what exactly?

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Memes apparently.

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1 point

Well, they didn’t do much against polluted memes.

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16 points

Is that Rich Evans?

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I’m like 70% sure I originally found this meme on the rlm subreddit a while back.

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16 points

No, it’s dick the birthday boy

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1 point

The guy who was on Ellen?

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No that’s Mr. Plinket

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55 points

It’s reduce, reuse, and then lastly recycle.

Additionally, the impact that individual consumers can make pales in comparison to the impact a corporation can make when it comes to preserving our environment. We’ve been tricked to think that the most minimal of our actions (banning bags and straws) is enough.

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It’s been almost 40 years since we were told we had 20 years.

No one did a fucking thing.

We were also told that by the time we notice the changes, it’s too late.

Well guess what we’re noticing?

Customer service ruined my faith in humanity but the climate crisis killed it completely…

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I will repeat this ad nauseam.

NASA climatologist James Hansen testified to Congress in 1988 that climate change was a risk and that we should continue building more nuclear power despite Chernobyl having happened the year before.

If we had done that, we would have solved climate change in the 90s.

We had sufficient time. We had sufficient technology.

But instead of fighting for the environment, the environmentalists fought against it.

This provided the first Bush cover to kill nuclear so that his fossil fuel sponsors could make more profits.

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Environmentalists had virtually nothing to do with it. Yes, many people started opposing nuclear power, but please dont believe that had any impact on the matter. Its been the coal and oil industry from the very beginning and even people considering themselves educated on the matter being fooled shows how well they are covering it up.

There are exponentially more environmentalists now that in the 80s so how come they ‘succeeded’ in cranking down on nuclear power back then but cant even remotely stop coal from expanding even further?

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Thats not entirely true though. What you are referring to is the impact of a single person vs the impact of a corporation, which is obvious. But if everyone would change their lifestyles and started taking this matter seriously, that would have by far the greatest inpact. Also every corporation depends on its customers and if those dont consume the way they used to, corporations are forced to change in the same way. This ‘people like us cant make a change’ bullshit attitude is the same as ‘Im not voting because whats a single vote gonna do’.

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Right but selecting ecologically responsible products is often a privileged, and educated decision. Many folks are excited for whatever plastic wrapped food they can afford after a long day, and they are not going to make a trip to a special recycling center to ensure the plastic is actually diverted.

Legislation is needed to ensure people can still get things they need, but corporations are held to a higher standard

It’s exactly these types of group-action dilemmas that a governmental system is best suited to assisting with.

Overcome tough issues individuals are not well positioned to improve, while ensuring the underprivileged don’t fall off the wagon.

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I absolutely agree, just wanted to point out that we cant divert all responsibility because we feel powerless in comparison.

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Entire industries are dominated by maybe a couple of corporations each and you’re telling us they’re at the mercy of the customer? They certainly don’t seem to be at the mercy of the customer with all this “inflation” they keep imposing on us. They choose to pollute because it’s cheaper for them and they don’t bother passing on those savings, they instead use it for higher profit margins. If you think they’re afraid of being undercut by a competitor, then they wouldn’t be fighting legislation that would apply across the industry.

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I never said they are afraid. They dont need to be as long as most people dont care and keep consumung blindly. Still, a company without customers cant exist. How would a butcher keep his Business if everyone suddenly went vegan? Companies wont magically start caring about the environment because they are not people with feelings. Every single decision is based on profits. If changing their ways would become more profitable (eg by greater acceptance by customers), they would do so.

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customers are to blame for the actions of companies!

Fuck off with this shit.

You going to tell me the grocery store I work in can’t recycle just because we have customers walking in the door?

You’re going to say that pulp mills just can’t help but mix waste with sand so they can legally dump it, because somebody is buying some paper?

Just because someone is buying their product doesn’t mean they can’t be doing a whole fuck of a lot more.

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You misread my comment entirely. I didnt say customers are to blame for companies’ actions, I said as long as customers dont change companies wont either because they dont have to. All that matters to them is profit and not recycling is cheaper. Companies are not people, they are capitalist entities.

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