Ads upon ads upon ads

299 points

Enshittification spares no one.

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68 points

Happens when you don’t have competition. (Except to steam seemingly)

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36 points

Steam has some competition, its just that said competition never took off because Steam is so much better.

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149 points

The difference is that Valve is privately owned. They don’t have to please a board of shareholders who want to see the platform milked for the slightest increase in profit margins.

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Bingo. Enshittification is mostly confined to companies that have gone public or whose sole aspiration is to do so quickly.

It shifts responsibility from satisfying customers/users to satisfying shareholders (who are never satisfied).

You can build the perfect product and ride a gravy train as a private company in relative perpetuity. As a corporation, you’re just going to strive for perpetually increasing profits on a quarterly basis with no real care or focus past that

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26 points

We need more companies like that, then.

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14 points

So you’re telling me that I can generate stable revenue if I work on my product and try to satisfy customers? Sounds kinda radical… who do we even screw over to get the money??

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6 points

This isn’t entirely accurate. If Valve were a public company, the enshittification factor would increase significantly. The reason they’re great now is because the current board is the original founders who are passionate about their business, and actually care.

Private or not, once Gabe and the other old farts die, Valve will enshittificate. That’s almost guaranteed.

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(Except to steam seemingly)

For now. I’m curious what’ll happen when Gabe eventually retires.

We also can’t ignore the fact that the Steam Marketplace is a hellhole and the origin of a lot of today’s microtransaction hell.

If you buy all your games on one platform then you’re thoroughly fucked if it turns heel.

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The point still stands though, you can easily filter out anything you don’t want to see.

But I doubt the same would apply if it was owned by shareholders.

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We all know the answer to this. There will be a hundred threads with thousands of comments with people saying it’s not bad, the company promised x and y and we should be cautiously optimistic, but in the end it always ends the same way.

Exactly the same thing happens with IBM buying Red Hat. No shortage of articles talking about how this will be good for Red Hat and the entire open source community but of course last month they started the enshitification process that will now March on relentlessly. Even now there are defenders of red hat, talking about how it’s not that bad and there are workarounds, but in the end they fail to see this is just the first step.

Once started on this path, the rule is always enshitification, any exceptions are exceedingly rare. If steam ever gets bought/sold it will follow the same path and it’s defenders will stay by its side until it looks like the screen shot above.

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10 points

Sure it does, but only those who have a zero-tolerance policy against using proprietary software. In the long run, Free Software is the only kind that can be relied upon not to betray you.

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I agree, free software is the only thing that’s sure to not get worse over time. I took way too long to realize, now I have a shitload of stuff to migrate. I already ditched microsoft, but that google account is a real bitch to replace.

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12 points

“the play store is shit now!”

The play store was always shit.

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That’s… good. Installing an app on more devices is a nice feature.

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11 points

I mean silver lining and all, sure. But did you notice that like 55-60% of the screen is ad-driven “suggestions?”

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Wait,…, it’s all ads! I kinda missed it says “Ads”.

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It looks bad, but try replicating it.

When I search two dots, I find exactly the matching app, with screenshot previews and details about it. I get only 1/4 of the screen as ad suggestions. The rest of the screen is related suggestions (non-ad suggestions). So about 3/4 is non-ads for me vs. 1/8th from the OP screenshot.

If I search something more generic like “card battle games”, I get a listing of about 7 games, with tags, and zero ads.

I think what’s shown in the OP is what remains after the user has already read the details and approved installing the app. Considering that this is the end of the user story, what else should be on that page?

Or maybe he’s got a different version of play store than me from A/B testing? Anyway, try it out yourself. I don’t have a problem with too many ads on playstore, my main issue is more that the good apps go to apple store first and only sometimes port to android because apple users are more lucrative.

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1 point

The good apps go to IzzyOnDroid first, then to F-Droid once builds can be verified, and then possibly to the Play Store for the masses.

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2 points

I, too was not able to reproduce the same result again.

When I tried to do the same search again, I had one column more dedicated to non ad space, namely, showing the description of the game. Dont know how I got that particular spread of ads galore at that particular moment.

Screenshot taken later with the same query:

https://postimg.cc/JtjHLG9Z

My version of android is, indeed, an older one, and my region is India, I suppose all these factor into what I see when I search for stuff.

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This is Google we’re talking about. If their algorithm identifies you as a high value user in a high value location, they’ll absolutely shove you more ads than usual. This is why ads companies love tracking people to identify such users.

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6 points

LMFAO I didn’t even see that in the midst of all the clutter!

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15 points

Literally 80% of the screen is just useless garbage ads. It takes some effort to actually locate where the real search result is on the screen.

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6 points

Yup! It’s fucking insane…

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48 points

Luckily I only have F-Droid on mine.

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30 points

What, no love for the Ad Store?

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24 points

This ad has features you may not like

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3 points

F-Droid for the main stuff, Aurora Store when I’m feeling dirty.

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5 points

“Thanks for the F-Droid”

  • Dirty Mike and the Boys
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129 points

A single row of ads would be ok, but having this many plus an ad showing up first, where the search results should be… Oof

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41 points

No it wouldn’t. Phones aren’t cheap.

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7 points

They can be. I bought a Galaxy s22 with a broken screen for $150, and my carrier just gave me an $1100 credit for it on a new iphone. I don’t need an iPhone, and I will be selling it to get yet another cheap phone and pocketing the money, but it goes to show just how much phones do not cost to the people producing them

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4 points

Dam that’s a hilarious life hack lol.

I’m on a 12 Pro with no intentions of upgrading but when I go to I’m gonna try and find a new broken flagship to turn in too lmao.

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7 points

The Android licence is free and the Play Store infrastructure has to support tens of millions of devices.

I’m not saying this is an acceptable level, but Samsung ain’t putting a dollar toward Google running the store, in fact, they’d much prefer to run and maintain their own.

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10 points

I guess hoovering up all your data ain’t enough.

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That’s not true. Phone manufacturers need to pay if they want to include Google Play in their devices, it’s not free. It can cost as much as $40 per device.

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2 points

I don’t even get why having the store on more devices is supposed to “cost” google anything.

It’s a store. They get a cut from every transaction. Why wouldn’t they want it to be on everything?

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1 point

They shouldn’t rely on ads to make money back on a phone IMHO.

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17 points

I don’t think ads showing something related to what I’m looking for are bad in and if themselves. I want to find related content, the problem is that these are often not in any way related to what I’m looking for. It’s just a list of who paid to be listed there.

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