https://lemmy.ca/c/mensliberation
NOTE: This is not a misogynistic community a la MRA
I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name. Without reading an explanation, most people would assume it was some toxic, misogynistic group. I only know what it refers to because I bothered reading some of the comments here.
I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.
I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name.
The men’s liberation movement is a concept going back 50+ years. It would be difficult to change that at this point.
Also r/MensLib is a large, well-known sub with a well-defined remit. If you are going to start something similar on here it would be confusing not to go with a similar name. However, because of its scope, from what I saw, it tended to be a bit alienating to those who didn’t toe the party line.
So there is room for a community focused on a broader, looser discussion of the topic (although it’d need strict moderating), like:
I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.
Healthy Masculinity? It seems to be the more accepted term, although they can be used interchangeably.
I like the concept of being able to talk openly about mens’ issues. That liberation name is unfortunate; in my opinion, it definitely sounds at least apologetic towards misogyny. What do we have to be liberated from?
Consider that patriarchy hurts men too. There’s a lot of pressure to be a certain way in order to “be a man”, no crying or expressing emotions beyond anger or happiness, gotta be tough, that sort of thing. We can and should liberate ourselves from those toxic expectations
Edit: i’m sure someone else might be able to word it better, that’s just off the top of my head/how i interpret it
Naw you nailed it. It’s a reference to Women’s Lib
It’s a reference to the women’s lib movement. It’s about liberation from patriarchy and traditional gender roles.
See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_liberation_movement
Sure, but if you have to spend this much time explaining what you mean, it seems counterproductive. And it’s going to attract the toxic personalities and opinions that we’re supposed to be liberating from.
Women’s liberation is not some esoteric piece of history. It’s in living memory for a lot of people and was a household term for decades. For those unfamiliar, I think it’s worth asking why that may be.
What’s intersectionailty?
I had the same question opening this thread so I googled it.
the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage.
What this means in this context is considering the viewpoints coming from many different groups–people of different races, religions, disabilities, neurodivergence, etc., so issues that affect men with disabilities, for example, are as important as issues that affect men without disabilities. They don’t get ignored or sidelined in favor of more mainstream conversations.
It seems like it just ends up killing a group’s momentum though. Instead of finding the common problems that affect everyone in the larger group me, you spend time talking about all the small issues that only effect some people in the group and then nothing gets done about the issues that actually affect a superlative or majority of the group.
I didn’t participate in the sub much but I did appreciate having a that view come in my feed here and there. And without having to invade a women’s space.
This was a good sub, glad to see it here