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Men’s Liberation

NOTE: This is not a misogynistic community a la MRA

35 points

I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name. Without reading an explanation, most people would assume it was some toxic, misogynistic group. I only know what it refers to because I bothered reading some of the comments here.

I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.

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I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name.

The men’s liberation movement is a concept going back 50+ years. It would be difficult to change that at this point.

Also r/MensLib is a large, well-known sub with a well-defined remit. If you are going to start something similar on here it would be confusing not to go with a similar name. However, because of its scope, from what I saw, it tended to be a bit alienating to those who didn’t toe the party line.

So there is room for a community focused on a broader, looser discussion of the topic (although it’d need strict moderating), like:

I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.

Healthy Masculinity? It seems to be the more accepted term, although they can be used interchangeably.

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You’re right about the assumption… … But the assumptions are also part of the problem.

Women’s liberation doesn’t get a second glance at is name, so why can’t a men’s liberation discussion group enjoy the same?

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Well, you’re right, that was my initial assumption upon immediately seeing the name. It also aroused enough of my curiosity to check further though.

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Also positive masculinity tends to still be rooted in fairly patriarchal ideas of what it means to be a man in ways that liberation from gender roles specifically is not.

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Make it happen! Not a man but would love to see it out there

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I see one post that is 3 hours old and all the rest are over 6 months old. Any idea why?

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Just a fairly inactive community. Was hoping to breathe a little life into it with this post.

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I like the concept of being able to talk openly about mens’ issues. That liberation name is unfortunate; in my opinion, it definitely sounds at least apologetic towards misogyny. What do we have to be liberated from?

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The name isn’t new, it comes from the same place as women’s lib, afaik the concept of Mens Lib has been around since the 70s. We all want to be free of harmful and unnecessary gender stereotypes. r/menslib was a great subreddit.

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It’s a reference to the women’s lib movement. It’s about liberation from patriarchy and traditional gender roles.

See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_liberation_movement

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Sure, but if you have to spend this much time explaining what you mean, it seems counterproductive. And it’s going to attract the toxic personalities and opinions that we’re supposed to be liberating from.

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Women’s liberation is not some esoteric piece of history. It’s in living memory for a lot of people and was a household term for decades. For those unfamiliar, I think it’s worth asking why that may be.

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Consider that patriarchy hurts men too. There’s a lot of pressure to be a certain way in order to “be a man”, no crying or expressing emotions beyond anger or happiness, gotta be tough, that sort of thing. We can and should liberate ourselves from those toxic expectations

Edit: i’m sure someone else might be able to word it better, that’s just off the top of my head/how i interpret it

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Naw you nailed it. It’s a reference to Women’s Lib

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This was a good sub, glad to see it here

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