The civilian settlers who are taking Palestinian homes by force are an occupying force.
The attack by Hamas was not legitimate because it was against random civilians.
I’m not saying Israelis are guilty or deserved the attack on civilians, but Israel is a settler-colonial state. So is the US, but I’m not going to call for every US citizen with colonial roots to be forced off the continent (especially since that would include myself, my ancestors - including recent ones - were awful people who did awful things).
You can acknowledge that the state of Israel is an illegal settlement without calling for genocide, just as you can acknowledge that the US is founded on stolen land without calling for death to all Americans.
So, let me just confirm - you regard Israeli civilians as not innocent for the crime of being born Israeli on stolen land. Correct?
This is their name for the attack by Hamas on a music festival, is that right?
I just woke up this morning to the news that six hostages had been found dead in a tunnel in Gaza, cause of death multiple gunshot wounds at close range.
I struggle to find sympathy for Palestine after reading a story like that.
Hamas deserve no sympathy - but most Palestinians are just people, like the Israelis, living under a regime that heavily peddles dehumanizing propaganda. If we had no sympathy for the Israelis because of the Palestinians intentionally killed by their hands, we’d be going down the same route that’s currently locking the two sides into a fucking pointless race towards genocide, that Israel seems likely to ‘win’.
All of Palestine? You gotta refine that opinion dude, it’s ~5 million people.
Should foreigners lose sympathy for your people as a whole, if a group whose members hailed from it do something horrible? Its not like everyday people in Palestine have much choice about what goes on there.
What does killing 40 thousand people, mostly innocent, do for your sympathies? Raping and torturing people in detention. For that matter, detention without charge? Turning off water to 2 million people? Preventing food and medical aid? No, sorry - the IDF claimed that a bad thing was done by Hamas… more genocide is clearly called for. You’re allowed to think whatever you like online, as you’ve asserted.
Palestine didn’t kill those hostages, Hamas did. Hamas deserves to die, innocents do not, and killing innocents to reach the bad guy is not justified
I too find it hard to sympathize with little Hind or the poet Refaat when they murder hostages.
Daily reminder that tankies aren’t leftists.
stolen your homes and land
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private property should be abolished
Pick only one
That’s not what they mean by “private property.” Leftists are just so goddamn stubborn that they refuse to acknowledge the immediate confusion and use any other label.
Is there anything resembling a consensus on that? They’re not interested in our toothbrushes as they say, but how about arable land? A machine shop? A work truck?
When they say “private property” they are not referring to the people’s toothbrush, but the private ownership of production. Houses and such are “personal property”.
They are also private property. How about my machine shop? My acre of land with a garden? A dairy cow?
That depends on the use. Are you using it as a productive business for profit or just something you like, maybe even for some side money. Are you hiring employees to work it for you? Once you make it a mode of production it’s considered a privately owned means of production. If it’s something you just have, it’s personal property.
That’s the gist anyway. These are actual, defined terms and not just things people throw around on the internet. If you want something more specific, doing a search will probably get a better explanation than I’m good at giving.
Holy strawman, Batman!
Please explain to me how defining the murder of civilians as a legitimate and legal attack for the crime of existing in a country while a particular ethnicity is anything but a call for ethnic cleansing.
Characterising fighting against an occupying force as “calling for the genocide of the working class for being the wrong ethnicity” is deliberately misinterpreting the post that (I presume you) were responding to.
That is a strawman.
“[attack targeting civilians] was a legitimate attack against an occupying force.”
“Innocent civilians are not an occupying force”
“When they’re the people who’ve stolen your homes and land, they are”
Please, explain this to me. Explain to me how “Israeli civilians are legitimate targets because they’re the ethnicity who’ve stolen your homes and land” isn’t a call for genocide.