You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they’re leftists because they’re wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.

Oh, it’s no joke. I believe wholeheartedly that if the GOP kept all of its current stances, but was an anti-American party in, say, Europe, and put on the Communist aesthetic and rhetoric, tankies would be lining up to lick their boots and cry “Critical support for transgender genocide!”

Like 9/10 times they’re some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they’re privileged and insulated from it, and also they’re tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren’t bigots anymore.

God, even on the local scale it can be gruesome. Getting a Republican administration is like watching the municipality be gutted in slow motion. It’s difficult for me to sympathize with tankies, since they clearly don’t lack time to mindlessly parrot talking points fed to them by their social circle read about politics, but they act completely fucking clueless about the difference between Dems and the GOP. Or, for that matter, the difference between any imperfect cause and pure fucking evil - except, of course, in judgement of their red-painted fascist states, whose actions are always either justified or justifiable, and criticizing blatant totalitarianism is just not appreciating AES and proof of being a shitlib™.

i called it

Plus getting upset about this shit is fucking exhausting.

Look, I will tick the Kamala box. I do indeed believe that Trump is a bad candidate and will oppress many people. But I don’t want people to feel like this shit is normal. Back in the late 1970’s to the 1990’s, nobody would have thought that both parties would end up supporting the same genocide, with one being a little less pumped. Or maybe even the 2000’s, when the War on Terror was thought to be conducted humanely. We have lived in an imperfect world before, along with millions of people, and politicians self-selecting for ambition and ego, and there was nobody calling to wipe an ethnicity off the face of the Earth. I’m not surprised at the Dem party, I’m surprised that there are fascists in the White House and I’m supposed to just accept it as a normal part of democracy. Well, I won’t! Both parties in the United States supporting a genocide requires voting to solve, but it’s purely abnormal! I’m not wanting a world any better than a world we used to have, one where the United States did not conduct ethnic cleansing!

We live in a nation with the Internet, fast food wherever you go, products that arrive at your door when ordered, touchscreens, full 3D videogames, V-Tubers, the Moon Landing, nuclear reactors, and the White House lighting up in rainbow colors to support LGBT+ rights–yet when asked to stop a genocide, it’s suddenly too much to ask. I would give up so much of these fleeting pleasures to protect human lives. Should I just become a lotus-eater, and neglect the outside world to “act humane”?

is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?

well i mean it depends on what you mean by this, you will inevitably die, so, idk how you plan on getting around that one. Oppression is an incredibly broad and complex topic, or the simplest of them with no indirect explanation. The answer is the same though, do shit to change public sentiment.

I don’t understand how this is the argument against third party. Why does the candidate need to be the Messiah to be better than Kamala?

In a world where “politician” isn’t a career, or even a thing that exists, and instead people make decisions communally and horizontally. It’s called anarchism.

You not knowing or being able to imagine alternatives, doesn’t mean none exist.

Lmfao, except you don’t have democracy. You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy. You also don’t have a government that is “getting everything done without obstacles”, but pretty much the literal fucking opposite. The fact that the only alternative you can imagine to the current (non democratic, slipping in to fascism) state of affairs is a dictatorship is a problem with your lack of imagination and narrow view of the world (though granted, you were heavily indoctrinated that way), not a reflection of reality, nor the array of other ways that society can not only exist, but thrive.

There was good reason I told you people to ask yourselves these questions - you are the ones standing in your own way with your insistence of living according to a full blown fallacy because you’re just comfortable enough with the way things are, and are too scared of change, specifically no longer holding the privileges the current system grants you in exchange for your compliance, and the idea that you might not have anyone to feel superior to.

Until you’re willing and able to face that within yourself, I can’t help you, nor am Interested in hearing the mental gymnastics you do to justify your actively maintaining the status quo. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Right, as if the system isn’t very deliberately designed to withstand reform and will not hesitate to weaponize every tool it has at its disposal (from the courts to the media to the police and the other alphabet agencies) to assure no leftist ever actually makes it in to a position of real power (not that we would want to, since we believe the state should be abolished, not joined, for precisely the reason stated above).

For the however many’th time, you die hard liberals can tell yourselves as many fairy tales you want to make yourself feel better, it won’t change the reality - the system is not designed to serve you, but to keep you placated with nothing but an illusion of choice. Those with power and money wrote the rules, what on earth, and at this point in time with history unfolding right in front of our eyes as it is, again, makes you think that following those rules will ever work in your favour?

Can you explain more?

Haha. That’s pretty good. The point I was trying to make is that it doesn’t make sense to me to hold voters to a higher standard of conduct than the politicians that they vote for.

We don’t live in a perfect world. Someone is going to be president for the next 4 years, and at this stage of the game we have 2 distinct choices.

Also, what you called half-assed someone else might call the democracy process. Just because YOU want something doesn’t mean I want the same thing. Your vision for how to solve Palestine or Ukraine or improve wealth equality might be vastly different from mine. Just because you don’t get exactly what you want doesn’t mean the system is useless or not worth participating in. If you were to get exactly what you want, then I’d be getting walked over. If I get exactly what I want, then you’d say you are not being heard.

The only fair system is to elect a big-tent party and then work through dialog on trying to reach either consensus or fair compromise on the various topics. But we won’t have that option if we let the fascists get control and do their Project 2025 thing while ignoring us.

we should be voting for the person with the most solutions that would improve the world as well as country.

well, i would remove the whole world portion, because that’s an extremely broad brush and can cause problems. It’s better to just focus on having the best and most productive leadership possible, the more advancement you can do the better.

This has been kind of a half ass last four years hasn’t it?