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No it fucking didn’t… it exposed how our two party system forces us to choose between two shitty choices… often times the Democrats have better policy positions but immigration isn’t one of those times.

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Doesn’t help that Bidens border policy is almost exactly Trumps policy but elected Democrats stopepd caring about the camps after Biden won. Now no ones fighting. Xenophobia has a cozy home in both parties.

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Not to beat a dead horse but…

This joke made it into Family Guy because of the sheer insanity of the US populace at the time. Everyone knows the next few frames are everyone in the crowd cheering like crazy for this obvious fucking statement.

Even Democrats would accuse you of “supporting the terrorists” if you were anti-war. Bush won the popular vote in 2004 because of the war, and called it a mandate.

Bush had even considered using anti-terrorism laws to target fucking Quakers who protest war because non-violence is a central tenet of their fucking religion. Nobody batted a fucking eye.

So yes, racism, xenophobia, and violence has always had a home in both US parties.

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This wasn’t isolated to the Democrats and Republicans, IIRC it was the prevailing opinion across the nation irrespective of party.

I’m sure there were Independents, and <insert minority group here> that were out there also looking for blood in the moment. I wouldn’t say because racism/xenophobia/violence exists within a group, it always has a home w/ said group (unless there was a vast majority that held the same belief) and so I’m always prone to push back when ppl paint w/ such a broad brush.

I think that these generalizations that insinuate that both sides are equally inviting racism/xenophobia/violence does a disservice to the nuances of reality and encourage nihilsm/indifference.

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I do think there is nuance in accepting that the plan when there’s 20K crossing per month is different when the number spikes 10x to 200k. Dems were unprepared for enforcing policy when things shifted to record numbers for sure, but I wouldn’t classify that as ‘not caring’.

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AOC, under trump, toured the facilities (facilities that predated the Trump admin btw) and demanded acces to many of them while people tried to stop her. Interesting no ones doing that under biden despite there being no changes in the law, the facilities, the agents, or even the higher ups of the agency. That’s textbook not caring, nothing changed except Democrats desire to insure the wellbeing of migrants.

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Maybe we could do something reasonable, like, I don’t know, taxing billionaires and super wealthy, corporations more. 🤷‍♀️

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I thought 9/11 exposed that?

People attacking Hindus wearing turbans thinking they were Islamic terrorists.

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Also the Irish +100 years ago. It’s as American as apple pie unfortunately.

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Which is extra ironic, because apples are native to Asia.

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I rarely downvote, but this is one of the few comments that are truly unproductive and meaningless. You earned it.

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Uh, they are actually native to Cupertino…

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Sikhs?

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Probably more accurate, I only show my own ignorance of other culture for not having better specifics.

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That’s NOT TRUE! We ALSO hate Native Americans!

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Who?

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And native anyone else that isn’t wealthy and just like us.

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If you weren’t already aware the scope of the issue, there’s no sense trying to illustrate it for you. You’re incapable of grasping the situation.

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Even mice can learn new things.

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