This fall, The Marvels take flight.Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel has reclaimed her identity from the tyrannical Kree and taken revenge on the Supreme Inte…

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I haven’t watched a Marvel movie in ages.

I was excited for what they were going to do after Endgame as I really thought they were going to take things to another level, but ultimately each one feels like the same movie to me at this point.

They suffer from the same issue that every movie/show faces; needing mass appeal, following the same formula, and being afraid to have anything definitive happen.

The last bothers me the most. If I’m watching a show and a character dies, I barely react at this point; I just wonder how long until they’re back.

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I would encourage you to watch the spider-verse movies, Loki, and “What If?” simply because they’re quite novel and entertaining. They break the mold.

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The spider-verse movies and the Loki series are great examples of how good superhero movies could be if they tried.

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I just don’t see a way to top the build up and ending to Endgame. A decade of movies with great actors, fun action all leading up to the huge gut punch of Infinity War and the absolute spectacle of Endgame.

After you reach that high, building up again from step one is extremely difficult. And the movies just aren’t of the same quality. Besides a few good movies like No Way Home and Black Panther 2 and a few shows with strong starts or premises like Wandavision and Loki, they’ve all been very mid.

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I’m not a comic book reader, but from what I’ve heard the characters never dying permanently is a common theme, so at least there’s a precedent

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It’s a common sci fi / fantasy trope, which a lot of these stories are. When you have beloved characters, and they’re in a world of magic and advanced technology, it’s really tempting to use the magic and technology to bring the beloved characters back.

Example - Star Trek. Spock, Kirk, Data, Picard, etc. They’ve all be resurrected at some point.

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The overuse of death tropes was exactly why I left.

Infinity War

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hit me with a double whammy. It pulled the curtain to show that it was actually part one of a two parter. Also, it pulled the “death is reversible” card - both the death and the immediate promise of reversal - on half the galaxy’s population.

I feel like even if a comic got away with such things, it’s almost better to ask if the movies are a time to revisit those tropes.

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They did kill off Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Widow though. Also, wasn’t it known beforehand that it was a 2 parter?

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You’re forgetting Loki. Don’t worry, he’s okay though! And Vision. Don’t worry, he’s back for Wandavision!

And, even with Black Widow dead, thankfully they can make a prequel movie!

Just to age myself a bit: One thing that I really liked about Aeris’ death in FF7 is: There’s no dying speech. There’s no ghostly message from beyond the grave. You don’t even really get to see her face in wistful memories. Everything about that character is completely ”ended” from the media the moment Sephiroth strikes her. Post-launch media tended to ruin this, but at the time it was an important treatment of death to make it impactful.

We all know magic like prequels, time travel, Lazarus pits, cloning, etc, can bring back dead people. That usually misses the point because death in media is usually meant to hold an emotional power that relates to its certainty - it’s not specifically reliant on logic.

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Yeh the multiverse completely ruined the marvel cinematic universe. I get why they did it, but I think it was a terrible decision. It’s not really a coincidence that almost every movie since they introduced it has flopped.

As you said, it just takes away any and all shock and drama. Oh spider man got turned to dust and died? Strange because we know he has a solo movie set after endgame coming out a few months after it, so I guess he isn’t dead.

Not to mention that the movies are all now just basically filmed entirely on a green screen, while having worse and worse CGI.

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I really tried on the Ms. Marvel series but it was not for me and I knew it by the second episode, and Captain Marvel was one of the most formulaic, underbaked films of that Phase. Maybe it is just because Guardians being done means whatever strong investments I once had in the MCU are fading away because it’s all just too much of the same, but really nothing that screams out to me that this will be enjoyable though I will ultimately see it (a couple friends and I see every MCU movie despite most of us being super burnt out)

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I thought Ms. Marvel was one of the better things that they’ve done post-Endgame. I liked the Spider-man “neighborhood superhero” vibes in the first half, I liked the themes of a child of diaspora reconnecting with their heritage but still needing to recontextualize it, and Iman Vellani is a god-damn treasure when, as here, she’s properly cast. The “hard-light” powers and visuals were a decent enough riff on the “embiggening” power from the comics without asking the audience to accept Stretch Armstrong as a major superhero (Good luck, Mr. Fantastic).

Still had underbaked villains, needless save-the-universe brinksmanship, and some of the flair from the first couple of episodes eroded into Marvel formulas, but overall I enjoyed it.

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Same here here. I loved the Ms Marvel series and didn’t hate the Captain Marvel film.

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I really loved all of the MCU content and was extremely satisfied when Thanos was defeated in Endgame. Since then, I have enjoyed watching the movies that tie up the loose ends from Endgame; I.E. Loki, GOTG 2, and the Spidermans. Everything other than that has made me feel like Marvel is struggling for air.

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I don’t care for the heroes they are making shows and movies about. There’s none of that gritty, high stakes feel or compelling character development.

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Formulating the shows to 6 episodes really ruined it.

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And the shows only exist to introduce a new character for the next movies, meaning if you only watch the movies it’s just a bunch of characters appearing and everyone acting like they’ve been around forever and you’re supposed to know who they are.

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Yeah, feels lame.

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The Cap Marvel film felt like a phase 1 film, like if Thor didn’t have Loki. Yeah, they laid the groundwork and all, but other than Iron Man 1 and maybe Cap America they were pretty eh.

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Seems like it will be a fun one to take the kids to. I wonder what will happen if Kamala gets her hands on the bracelet the Big Bad has. She has its twin on.

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Something about her grandmother in a parallel universe, i think? it’s been a while since I watched the show.

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Same here lol. I think that’s how it goes, or in the past.

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in a parallel universe and in the past! during the Pakistan/India partition! it’s like the writers were like, “so is it time travel or the multiverse?” and they just did both.

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How many TV shows have I got to watch for this to make sense this time?

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Not serious answer: All of it. Including both Hulks.

Serious answer: Ms Marvel is probably all you need. The characters are not too deep and if you hate Ms Marvel you probably wont like this.

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The trailer explains pretty much the whole premise right there. Each of them has powers (who cares where they came from?), and they’re all entangled so they swap places when they use them.

If you want deeper backstory, the upside is that the two shows that contain it are among the best shows Marvel has done so far.

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