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Literally unconstitutional.

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Well regulated

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Is part of the dependent clause. Its reasoning.

If you paid attention in English class youd know this

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Just a flourish of words that dont matter?

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Shall not be infringed. As someone else pointed out there’s already a TRO, this is just a political stunt.

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A well regulated militia shall not be infringed

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Your right to bear arms is not infringed by specific controls.

You have a right to freedom of religion but local codes still come into okay for sacrifices/burnt offerings/etc.

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Yawn, it’s clear you don’t know how to read literature from the period. There’s plenty of explanation of the phrasing, indeed by the writers themselves in contemporary missives. But you don’t really care, you already have your ideology.

Go read any Jane Austen and you’ll learn. Even better, the Federalist Papers, or the Adams/Jefferson letters.

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Or more specifically, Federalist #29, which argued that the US should not have a standing military. THAT was the reasoning behind 2A. Of course our forebears learned pretty quickly that was a dumb ass hill to die on, and we have a huge standing military. The reasons for the 2A have been buried in progress, yet scared neanderthals still feel the need to cower with their guns in fear that the big bad world will touch them.

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means well-supplied and ready to go on a moment’s notice

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Then why are morbidly obese, middle aged men with zero combat training allowed to own guns?

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I’d say well-maintained and prepared for use. As in tools need be well-maintained to be useful.

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Well supplied means well supplied

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In working order which is why you had to register your firearm and have it inspected to make sure it worked. And that ready to go at a moment’s notice was because they were needed for the defense of the country. Public carry was banned in a good chunk of the states.

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No it doesn’t lmao

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Literally constitutional. States can set the laws and regulations around firearms, as established by supreme court precedent.

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The supreme court is wrong about 2A. Laws and regulations are infringements, which the constitution specifically prohibits.

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Since 2008. It was well understood that regulations were fine until then

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This is patently false. Take a look at all the restrictions on the 1st amendment. I’m not allowed to walk into congressional chambers and scream at the top of my lungs in protest am I?

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I look forward to seeing you proven incorrect by the courts. The TRO is already in place.

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All that would mean is that there is a current disagreement. The assault weapons ban was constitutional. California’s regulations on firearms is constitutional. Those are all court rulings with a lot more gravitas than a NM TRO.

There is no right via the second amendment for the unregulated possession or carry of firearms, just like there is no right in the first amendment to unlimited free speech. Those are interpretations that are entirely grounded in an optimistic layperson’s interpretation of what a multi century old complex body of laws actually should mean, rather than the actual legal interpretations.

The government tightly regulates speech. It’s allowed to, over-generous interpretations of the First be damned. It is the same thing with firearms.

It’s culture war bullshit that will go back and forth for another century if we last that long. The pendulum is currently in a pro-gun direction. At some point it will swing back and we will have a federal ban on weapons and mag caps again.

The problem of course is the American gun fetish, not the guns themselves. As long as people culturally fetishize guns as symbols of freedom and masculinity, we’re going to have this. It’s got an intersection with Southern and African American honor culture that escalated violence, and an increasing intersection with right wing domestic terrorism, which in turn informs mass shootings. But it’s easier to do an ineffective gun ban than address that.

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The Supreme Court also ruled recently that firearm owners can file off serial numbers, to give some context for their stance on the 2nd amendment.

Care to show that ruling?

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Biden-appointed U.S. District Court Judge David Urias said during a Wednesday hearing that the order violated the Constitution.

“The violation of a constitutional right, even for minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury,” Urias said during the hearing.

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Do you take every district court decision to be the last word on what is or isn’t constitutional, or do you wait for the supreme court to rule?

What is “constitutional” changes all the time. The AWB was constitutional. Mag limits were constitutional. Background checks are constitutional.

At some point, this may be found to be constitutional, or not, but it’s not like the constitution is some unchanging document, and it certainly doesn’t mean that federal or state governments cannot restrict who can buy which firearms under which conditions, or regulate how they may be legally carried. That’s been the case forever.

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So is forced jury duty and the draft. But many can only count to two.

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Yet there’s plenty of precedent at the federal and state level for places where carrying guns is not allowed. 🤔

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Specific places, generally, not open public places as specified in the article.

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Are national parks not considered open public places?

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I’m no expert on the US Constitution, but I was under the impression that the second amendment basically lets you have guns (well, something something well regulated militia, but that part is universally ignored by now). It doesn’t say you’re allowed to carry in public. I know states already get to set carry laws, which is why some states are open vs concealed carry. I don’t see how this is much different. It’s not like they’re even saying you can’t have guns at your home.

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There’s already a temporary restraining order halting enforcement

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Open or concealed carry is insane. You Americans are unhinged.

This is from a gun owner.

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I think the last time we cared about another country’s opinion of how we live our lives was in 1775.

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We’d definitely be better off if we actually care about how countries that are objectively better in multiple metrics do things differently.

Like oh I don’t know, Healthcare. Plus the overwhelming amount of gun violence that doesn’t exist in any other country than our own, the other ones are probably on to something.

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They do tend to do the whole social safety net thing far better.

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my God do you realise how cringe this statement is

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I wish I could give you a gold award.

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Well, how the people who haven’t been shot yet live their lives at least.

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Hah, a classic!

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Believing a politician can unilaterally suspend a right protected by both the federal and state constitution is unhinged.

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I wasn’t commenting on that, I was commenting on carrying a gun in public

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Licensed concealed carriers have a lower violent crime rate than the general public. So its unhinged to ban these individuals from carrying thinking it’ll stop criminals.

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Good thing open carry isn’t protected then.

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“This from a gun owner” is my favorite take on the “how do you do, fellow kids” meme.

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Well I own 5 guns and would never even consider carrying in public ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Nifty. Neither being a firearm owner nor count of firearms in any way invalidates the decisions of those who choose to do so.

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Ah yeah… Not constitutional.

She’s just doing this for her image.

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She’s about to term out anyway, so she doesn’t really care what it does to her.

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Ah I didn’t know that.

Well, grasping for straws, trying to say that she did something bold etc. Anyway I read in another article that a judge is blocking this

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Finally, somewhere I might be able to visit there and feel at least a little bit safe in public.

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you think criminals are going to follow this decree?

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I mean, some of them? Plenty of people who shoot others are first offenders. And I’m sure even many dangerous people wouldn’t carry a gun around if the mere act of carrying could get you sent to jail. Carrying being legal means that you can blend into the crowd of law abiding people.

Nobody thinks every gun crime will be stopped with any single act of gun control. But they all reduce it.

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You think every criminal with a gun started the day as a criminal with a gun? The majority of mass shootings started that day as “just another perfectly legal person with a gun being allowed to carry wherever”.

Tell me how many of the last 50 mass shootings were done by someone who was already a “criminal with a gun”

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This is some mental gymnastics. How many days started with someone intending on drunk driving? how many days started with someone intending on smashing someones face with a hammer. good lord, by your logic we are ALL criminals just waiting to happen. quick someone call Tom Cruise and the Pre-crime unit.

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There’s plenty of places you can feel safe in public.

They’re just not in America.

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You do realize hundreds of millions of people live here feeling perfectly safe, right?

Life is generally not what you see sensationalized on TV.

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That person doesn’t, and I was talking to that person.

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What a silly hill to die on. This is blatantly unconstitutional. That’s obvious to everyone, even those of us who might agree in spirit. So it’s just a waste. A waste of time and tax payer money. New Mexico is gonna spend time and resources on this that could be better spent elsewhere.

What’s more it wastes political capital. Capital that is gonna be needed soon for the Democratic party. So I can’t fathom why she’s doing this. She just gave conservatives the high ground and a huge rallying call.

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Show me where the constitution gives you a right to open carry.

Oh that’s right, it doesn’t.

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I love how effectively controversial things like this function like bug traps in drawing out the gnats - makes it easy to identify the low-effort trolls for a quick block.

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With the current court, it is unconstitutional. Several states banned public carry when the country was founded including Virginia so it’s not like that was unheard of at the time.

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100% this. It feels like sabotage.

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