This godforsaken country is introducing the bill that allows to strip people of birth-given russian citizenship for some things - like desertion and discreditation of army (which happens every time you question war)

So, my question, if someone loses all citizenship, what happens next? Is their life basically over? Is there a way to re-gain citizenship (like, in another country)? Can they be deported?

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I honestly don’t know, I remember someone got trapped at an airport once because their country stopped existing while they were there

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Tom Hanks made a documentary about it.

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Are you talking about The Terminal? Unless he made a second movie about the same guy, the word"documentary" seems like a stretch.

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I think they were making the type of joke where people will call movies “documentaries” when they’re really “fiction that can kind of almost be attributed to real events”

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I think they are using the term documentary as a joke.

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Woosh

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This is so infuriating. The country didn’t disappear overnight. The land is still there, they could have sent him back. Even if the country was nuked to ashes, they could just accept him as a political refugee.

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didn’t some poor cosmonaut get trapped in space because his country stopped existing whilst he was up there?

edit: sergei krikalev

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It was someone suffering from a mental illness or personality disorder. They went out of their way to be stuck at the airport. Refused help from family, refused help from a reporter who actually went through the trouble of proving his citizenship. He wanted to be at that airport and live that life.

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Found this article from a US gov’t site that talks a lot about this, kind of interesting to read.

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You should still be able to apply for refugee, asylum, permanent residency, or citizenship in other places. Whether or not that’s realustica and feasible is another issue, but legally, you’re fine: Your citizenship status at home won’t affect your ability to seek a new home.

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I suspect the best bet at the moment would be trying to ask Finland for asylum, since they’re not allied with Russia. Getting within their territory might be challenging, though, as I suspect they’ll require identification and/or outright block Russians from entering. Also, I have no idea how to proceed once within a different country. Maybe one of the baltic states might also work?

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or outright block Russians from entering

If you’ve been stripped of citizenship for opposing the war, are you still Russian?

Obviously that’s semantics, and what matters will be whether Finland still considers you Russian, but I think it would be in their benefit to allow entry to former Russians who are explicitly opposed to Russia’s bullshit

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I bet even if they tried to deport you, they wouldn’t know where to, since you technically don’t have a home country

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What happens is that you become a stateless person, just like the Palestinians once where. I can’t speak for Russian law.

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That’s still true for a lot of druze I the Golan heights, and while it doesn’t have a drastic effect on their daily lives, traveling abroad is an absolute nightmare

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Many palestinians are still stateless world wide around 5 million persons.

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That was a good read

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Asia and the Pacific - 1.582 million registered

Africa - 715,089 registered

Europe - 570,534 registered

Middle East and North Africa - 372,461 registered

Americas - 2,460 registered

These are really interesting numbers, I wonder if it has to do with immigration policies

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A lot of it has to do with racism and not allowing full citizenship rights to minority groups.

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Example of the above:

In the lead up to the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar, the government published a formal list of every recognized ethnic group in the country to specifically exclude the Rohingya. This allowed them to paint the group as “illegal immigrants from Bangladesh” (despite having been in the country for centuries), remove their citizenship and thus their rights to education and work.

Link about the 1982 citizenship law: https://burmacampaign.org.uk/media/Myanmar’s-1982-Citizenship-Law-and-Rohingya.pdf

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A huge reason I’d assume is soviet occupants in post-soviet countries. Correct me if I’m wrong here, many of Russians from soviet era living in Baltics with no Russian citizenship and haven’t applied and passed local citizenship, are stateless. This is due to requirements like knowing the local language

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Okay, my initial reading of these numbers were that the Americas must be shit at accepting people, then I did a short wiki dive and it has this:

Jus soli in many cases helps prevent statelessness.[11] Countries that have acceded to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness are obligated to grant nationality to people born in their territory who would otherwise become stateless persons.[12][a] The American Convention on Human Rights similarly provides that “Every person has the right to the nationality of the state in whose territory he was born if he does not have the right to any other nationality.”[11]

And now I’m thinking maybe the numbers are so low in a good way?

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