personally i donāt agree with sanctioning foss communities.
but fuckit, bring on more forks i say.
among other benefits, the scifi-type scenario of nations trying to patch eachothers backdoors and slip in new backdoors (and hopefully innovations). could make for an exciting OS space-race type scenario
personally i donāt agree with sanctioning foss communities.
Foss communities arenāt being sanctioned. Whole countries are. Itās the same limitation whatever enterprise youāre in.
If Olympians have to renounce their country to take part in global competition, why do you not think a software developer wouldnāt have to do the same to be involved in a global project?
Do you think itās acceptable to make olympicians first bow to the west before they can take part in games?
Should Isnātraelis first denounce the genocide before being able to contribute to the linux kernel or take part in olympic games?
Not the west. The global community.
ā¦and should Israel be under sanctions? Absolutely.
this is a complex topic and probably belongs in a different thread.
essentially i donāt personally believe in punishing citizens of a country for the actions of its politicians.
at best its misguided, at worse it basically empowers politicians on both sides who draw power from friction between citizens of different nations. typical divide and conquer bs.
why do you not think a software developer wouldnāt have to
wouldnāt or shouldnāt? if you mean wouldnāt, itās not surprising and its not the devās fault they have to comply with policy, so the criticism is not with them.
if you mean shouldnāt, i donāt agree with punishing athletes either, but regarding foss specifically, isnāt the āfriendly competitionā of olympics equivalent to that? sort of. in some ways yes. in other ways its actually the opposite.
collaboration is actually the opposite of competition.
and while thereās a case for the benefits of healthy sports competition, i donāt believe it truly fulfills the spirit of international goodwill to the degree it says on the packaging. foss and other forms of international collaboration for the betterment of greater society are definitely on a higher rung - in my opinion at least.
Probably better for BRICS countries to consider contributing to something different.
Realistically thereās no feasible way for the US to block access to use the kernel, and even a soft fork of it will be laughably easy for glowies to exploit. There are a bunch of promising kernels that could be well suited for China and Russiaās push towards RISC and ARM independence, whereas in Linux theyād be tasked with maintaining drivers and other systems that are a massive security vulnerability if you donāt have total control over them.
Iād honestly even consider it a good idea for Russia to get the FSF to fight this considering itās a blatant violation of the GPL. Even if the president can just say whatever they like, at least you can make it embarrassing and expensive for the chauvinists gloating at the labour they exploited for years.
What ānot at all free dogmasā are you referencing, and why is āfreeā in scare quotes?
First of all, saying ābased on their country of residenceā is either grossly uninformed or (most probably) plain dishonest.
Ignoring that, the GPL-freedoms of companies subject to sanctions are still preserved, soā¦ having established that your āfreeā is not the same āfreeā as in āfree and open source softwareā, what the hell are you talking about?
First, youāre acting like the decision was made by Linus or another member of the team and that they werenāt following the law.
Second, even if that werenāt the case, itās still completely free. Unless you can name one of the following freedoms that was impacted by those actions:
- Freedom 0: The freedom to use the program for any purpose.
- Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish.
- Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute and make copies so you can help your neighbor.
- Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.
It doesnāt. Russians are still free to use and contribute to Linux development. Just a few people lost their maintainer rights.
Right? Itās weird how so many people upset about the situation in this thread are incapable of explaining why itās a problem without lying.
Like, I get that it sucks to be removed as a maintainer because of something outside your control. But being, or continuing to be, a maintainer of a project isnāt a right thatās integral to that project being free.
Please donātā¦
Can we organize and force the Linux Foundation and/or OFAC to exclude open source software from these sanctions? Is anyone doing that yet?
What would be the point of the sanctions then? If the Linux Foundation were against it they could move the infrastructure to an other jurisdiction which does not sanctize countries, that would carry a strong message. But if they refuse to do that, whatās wrong with othersā forking it and doing it? Thatās the point of opensource.
Americans should vote for Trump, heās the best chance to overturn these ludicrous sanctions.
I thought this was a forum for Linux discussion, not promotion of fascists
Trump isnāt going to act against the interests of American Empire dumbass
Thanks for name-calling, real classy.
At least Trump is probably gonna normalize relations with Russia. On the other hand, heās probably gonna support Israel even more fervently, whereas Harris would do the opposite - escalate the bickering with Russia and colden the relations with Israel. You canāt have it all.
For those who donāt know about Escobarās axiom: https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/escobars-axiom-of-choice-1
Itāll be called BRICS Linux.
