Please don’t…
Can we organize and force the Linux Foundation and/or OFAC to exclude open source software from these sanctions? Is anyone doing that yet?
Americans should vote for Trump, he’s the best chance to overturn these ludicrous sanctions.
I thought this was a forum for Linux discussion, not promotion of fascists
Trump isn’t going to act against the interests of American Empire dumbass
Thanks for name-calling, real classy.
At least Trump is probably gonna normalize relations with Russia. On the other hand, he’s probably gonna support Israel even more fervently, whereas Harris would do the opposite - escalate the bickering with Russia and colden the relations with Israel. You can’t have it all.
For those who don’t know about Escobar’s axiom: https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/escobars-axiom-of-choice-1
What would be the point of the sanctions then? If the Linux Foundation were against it they could move the infrastructure to an other jurisdiction which does not sanctize countries, that would carry a strong message. But if they refuse to do that, what’s wrong with others’ forking it and doing it? That’s the point of opensource.
It doesn’t. Russians are still free to use and contribute to Linux development. Just a few people lost their maintainer rights.
Right? It’s weird how so many people upset about the situation in this thread are incapable of explaining why it’s a problem without lying.
Like, I get that it sucks to be removed as a maintainer because of something outside your control. But being, or continuing to be, a maintainer of a project isn’t a right that’s integral to that project being free.
What “not at all free dogmas” are you referencing, and why is “free” in scare quotes?
First of all, saying “based on their country of residence” is either grossly uninformed or (most probably) plain dishonest.
Ignoring that, the GPL-freedoms of companies subject to sanctions are still preserved, so… having established that your “free” is not the same “free” as in “free and open source software”, what the hell are you talking about?
First, you’re acting like the decision was made by Linus or another member of the team and that they weren’t following the law.
Second, even if that weren’t the case, it’s still completely free. Unless you can name one of the following freedoms that was impacted by those actions:
- Freedom 0: The freedom to use the program for any purpose.
- Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish.
- Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute and make copies so you can help your neighbor.
- Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.
The fork has no hope of survival. Are you telling me Russia’s Ministry of Digital Development can maintain a project of this size? lol, rofl even.
Why wouldn’t they be able to. Russia has a lot of tech talent, and tends to top programming competitions. Also, if this happened I imagine other countries like China would collaborate as well. China alone has a bigger population than all of the west, and a better education system to boot.
They can pull patches from mainstream Linux if they can’t keep up themselves. The project is big but not too big.
Disregarding the parent comment, but hosting a soft fork is easy enough but it’ll quickly become a spaghetti mess of local patches that conflict with upstream changes. It’s not like there’s an argument for preserving access to Russia either since the nature of the kernel being hosted across torrent trackers makes it impossible to deny Linux to any one country.
It seems like the better solution (imo) is to work on a different kernel receptive of these maintainers, so that the companies employing them can still have a kernel that is developed for their use-cases whilst supporting projects that don’t so openly collaborate with hostile states.
whilst supporting projects that don’t so openly collaborate with hostile states.
Geopolitical propaganda spotted. Reporting…
personally i don’t agree with sanctioning foss communities.
but fuckit, bring on more forks i say.
among other benefits, the scifi-type scenario of nations trying to patch eachothers backdoors and slip in new backdoors (and hopefully innovations). could make for an exciting OS space-race type scenario
personally i don’t agree with sanctioning foss communities.
Foss communities aren’t being sanctioned. Whole countries are. It’s the same limitation whatever enterprise you’re in.
If Olympians have to renounce their country to take part in global competition, why do you not think a software developer wouldn’t have to do the same to be involved in a global project?
Do you think it’s acceptable to make olympicians first bow to the west before they can take part in games?
Should Isn’traelis first denounce the genocide before being able to contribute to the linux kernel or take part in olympic games?
Not the west. The global community.
…and should Israel be under sanctions? Absolutely.
this is a complex topic and probably belongs in a different thread.
essentially i don’t personally believe in punishing citizens of a country for the actions of its politicians.
at best its misguided, at worse it basically empowers politicians on both sides who draw power from friction between citizens of different nations. typical divide and conquer bs.
why do you not think a software developer wouldn’t have to
wouldn’t or shouldn’t? if you mean wouldn’t, it’s not surprising and its not the dev’s fault they have to comply with policy, so the criticism is not with them.
if you mean shouldn’t, i don’t agree with punishing athletes either, but regarding foss specifically, isn’t the “friendly competition” of olympics equivalent to that? sort of. in some ways yes. in other ways its actually the opposite.
collaboration is actually the opposite of competition.
and while there’s a case for the benefits of healthy sports competition, i don’t believe it truly fulfills the spirit of international goodwill to the degree it says on the packaging. foss and other forms of international collaboration for the betterment of greater society are definitely on a higher rung - in my opinion at least.
It’ll be called BRICS Linux.
