A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn’t even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple’s App Store and Play Store were a thing.
We can no longer do that thanks to Flatpaks and Snaps as well as AppImages.
Recently i upgraded my Fedora system. I few days later i found out i was runnig some older apps since they were Flatpaks (i had completely forgotten how I installed bitwarden for instance.)
Do you miss the old system too?
Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?
Alias update=“sudo apt full-upgrade && flatpak update”
Fixed it for you
Appimages for in-dev programs usually have an auto-updater that runs when you run the program, too, which is accetapble by my factual and perfect standards. It would be nice if someone put together an appimage store to manage these, I guess.
There has always been the option of installing software from source. The package manager won’t update anything installed from source.
You don’t have to use Flatpak, Snap or AppImage if you don’t want to. If you use the package manager to install everything, it will update everything.
Except doesn’t ubumtu now force a snap on you even if you try installing a package app?
The solution is to use any of the other hundreds of readily available distributions.
I’m confused by this. If I run apt install, am I getting stuff from flatpak?
If I use ubuntu I’m somehow forced to use them.
Even on Fedora the average user is presented with many flatpak results when they use the GUI software manager. Not everyone is technically adept enough to check the origin of the app. So it’s kind of being forced on users.
If I use ubuntu I’m somehow forced to use them.
Yes, that’s why I stopped using it years ago (among other reasons).
Users are not out of options, they don’t need to check the origin of the apps themselves, it’s enough to ask other users what distros don’t do the things they don’t like and use those.
You can use bauh. it is a graphical app manager which can Install and update appimage, deb, flatpak, snap and web apps. https://github.com/vinifmor/bauh
The package manager won’t update anything installed from source.
emerge lols
You are just spreading FUD for the sake of it.
Snaps are updated automatically: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1262058/what-are-the-snap-equivalent-of-apt-get-update-and-apt-get-upgrade/1262059#1262059
Flatpak updates are usually integrated as hooks of the package manager (Archlinux handles this for you automatically, and I’m sure other distros do as well).
And on top of that, there’s also packagekit to handle all of this automatically.
In Mint you can install flatpaks from the software manager and those get updated by the update manager. So it’s all still one click.
Same on Fedora. It’ll even do firmware too.
We’re nowhere near the absolute shitshow that is updating the system and and programs on windows.
I’d like to add that it’s even better than that!
You can install apt, flathub and snap (if you want to install it) packages from the same installer, complete with full package info, screenshots and reviews!
You can even compare them by switching quickly via the drop-down!
The updater also checks all three, allowing you to scrutinise every part you want, or just updating it all with one button!
The installer and updater are actually better than using the command line, in my opinion, and I am by no means a stranger to the command line!
If you use a graphical tool like gnome software, it will update everything with one click on a button
Oh really. I should probably try that again sometime. Usually I just choose not to roll the dice on gnome, and update through the terminal instead.
I would really love gnome software to add update on background feature and set update interval (update only once a month, hold update indefinitely etc.)
But fedora software center behavior is the most intuitive and easy compare to other popular desktop OS/distros: Mac, Windows, or Ubuntu.
It does background updates for flatpak. For system, just move to Silverblue.
I think it only downloads the update but you still need to click install to install it. I am looking for Google Play / Windows Store behavior, where the store juat keep my app up-to-date in the background, maybe push a notification after update is done or something.
I understand this behavior is not for everyone, but I think it should be a toggle at least.
I love and use Fedora but I still think Mints update manager is the best GUI implementation I ever used for updating, it has all the essentials, is easy to use and looks nice.
I have never used mint, so I dont know.
One of the thing that drived me from Ubuntu to Fedora is that Ubuntu has 3 different UI for system, apt, and snap/flatpak update. It feels really segmented.
I personally prefer Gnome experience more than any other DE (including windows and macOS). But mint only include Gnome version on Ubuntu LTS, so it is a bit dated. But no doubt that mint is extremely user friendly.
Don’t generalize whatever distro you’re running as “Linux”, especially when we’re talking package management.
