A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn’t even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple’s App Store and Play Store were a thing.

We can no longer do that thanks to Flatpaks and Snaps as well as AppImages.

Recently i upgraded my Fedora system. I few days later i found out i was runnig some older apps since they were Flatpaks (i had completely forgotten how I installed bitwarden for instance.)

Do you miss the old system too?

Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?

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No need to overcomplicate things, just write a small shell script or even just an alias. I use this daily:

alias get-rekt="sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y && flatpak update -y && flatpak remove --unused --delete-data -y"

adjust accordingly for Fedora and/or snaps. Obviously doesn’t work for appimages or manually compiled stuff which should be a last resort if there’s no other sensible way to install stuff.

edit: voyager shat the bed with the code block but you get the point

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“no need to overcomplicate things, just write a complicated alias”

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How is that a complicated alias? Seems pretty straightforward to me. But again, if you prefer a shell script which does the same thing but separated line by line, also fine

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This is the way of the system administrator. You do a boring task once, even if it takes longer. The time saved accumulates over time.

Aliases are your friends.

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Honestly, at this point I’d like to get rid of all this sandboxing stuff altogether.

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I think it’s a great and necessary security feature. The fact that we haven’t had proper sandboxing until very recently seems strange now.

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Come join the dark side, we have all the modern features without any containerisation whatsoever:

https://nixos.org/

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🎶That’s why i don’t like and use flatpaks, snaps and appimages 🎶

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They all have their use cases.

I may not want Steam games or Firefox to have access to my holidays pictures or bank extracts. I may prefer to install some KDE apps on my XFCE desktop but don’t want all the KDE dependencies all over my system.

Each tool has a purpose.

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Huh, I stopped using Linux long ago, and I hardly understand any of the issues you are facing… can someone ELI5?

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Packages are native to the distribution you are using.

All the other are apps packaged as all in one mini containers.

Your software manager should be capable of handling all this in a fairly reasonable way.

You may want to research this topic a bit, but use whatever works and don’t read too much into these nerd discussions.

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Thank you!

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Recently there’s been a push on Linux for containerized “apps” that come bundled with their dependencies windows style. Ubuntu has been the one really pushing this with their implementation called “snaps” which has made a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad idea.

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I see, thank you for the heads up.

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